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shogun1940

09-04-2017 @ 9:31 AM

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What year did ford start using black electric PLASTIC tape.. harness on ebay supposed to be nos for a 48

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09-04-2017 @ 10:08 AM

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I don't recall seeing the black plastic loom material until the mid 50's. I suspect the seller is selling a NORS loom made by an aftermarket company. I have never seen the black plastic loom material on a 1948 car.

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09-04-2017 @ 10:24 AM

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trjford8 is correct. No ORIGINAL/NOS '46-'48 loom/harness covering materials were black electric plastic tape.

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sarahcecelia

09-04-2017 @ 12:16 PM

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Right on!!!

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09-04-2017 @ 12:19 PM

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I think before the 50's they may have used black cloth tape, but not plastic.I remember the cloth variety when I was in my teens.I'm 80+6 months now.

Regards, Steve Lee

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Sal

09-04-2017 @ 1:53 PM

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Part of the '48 Ford wire harness is wrapped with black electrical tape. The rest is a cloth cover. I've got it like that on my Dearborn '48 Ford and I've just installed a Tyree Harris reproduction one on a '48 Ford station wagon. It's wrapped the same way.

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09-04-2017 @ 3:54 PM

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SAL - please advise what portion of a '48 Ford wiring harness is/are technically correct to be wrapped with black electrical tape. If you have and can provide documentation from trusted, credible and hopefully EFV8 sources that validate the same it would be helpful for us to have that information as well.

Other than the black plastic shielding used over the fabric insulation on parking light wiring as it passes through the radiator wall I have not seen any black electrical tape or non-fabric insulating materials on any '46-'48 ORIGINAL or NOS wiring harnesses/looms, so this is news to me. The only plastic/rubber insulating material I've encountered on these three years is on terminals to seal the ends of the cloth insulation.

Most if not all of the modern, newly fabricated wiring harnesses for these years from the common sources, that I have personally come across and/or worked with, do exhibit some degree of electrical tape use, particularly for the cowl/under dash to engine wiring harness, but IMHO this is not an endorsement of originality/NOS as much as it is a statement of modern manufacturing processes. I have been told the same by representatives from DC & Drake, but do not have any documentation to confirm this, only personal experience with these years.

I am not a trained EFV8 judge or technical adviser. I do spend most if not all my time on Rouge Class/originality issues for these three years and can only speak to my experience with my '47 and the dozens of '46-'48 Rouge Class and known originals I've personally reviewed, as well as my somewhat modest resource library.

Trying to learn something here and ensure I provide as accurate information as possible on this Forum, so I may need to correct my earlier comment if appropriate. Thanks in advance -

Steve

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09-04-2017 @ 9:25 PM

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My '47 came with a generic repro wiring harness that used black vinyl tape to hold the main parts of the harness together. It was so poorly laid-out that I re-did the system.

There appears to be mention here of "black cloth tape" for electrical wiring.
In the 1930 and 1940's my dad was an electrical engineer for the (then ) "Bell System" and later the New York Telephone company after their anti-trust fed break-up. They used what was called "friction tape" which was a black sticky cloth tape ..... still made.

After application of the cloth tape, it often was usually covered with a black vinyl electrical tape to better water-proof it. When field applied, the combination of the two tapes resulted in a thicker better insulated wire connection.

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len47merc

09-05-2017 @ 5:51 AM

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Still looking for a confirmation/definitive answer to shogun1940's original question in this discussion thread.

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TomO

09-05-2017 @ 7:04 AM

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I don't know the year that Ford started using the tape wrapped harnesses, but my 53 Lincoln has them.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-1948-FORD-CAR-WIRING-HARNESS-/292173867359?epid=8004724765&hash=item4406eb695f:g:oYwAAOSw6YtZXYSl&vxp=mtr

This is a replacement harness from the 1950's and may not be what was originally installed in a 1948 car. Replacement parts were usually made using the current manufacturing practices.

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