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Posted By Discussion Topic: Hand cranking? -- page: 1 2     wrosenkrans 11-30-2010 @ 12:31 PM reply profile send p.m. New Member Posts: 134 Joined: Oct 2010 I've noticed on my '42 what looks like provision for hand cranking the engine. I hand crank my Model T easily, my Model A's less so, I can't imagine trying to crank start a V-8. Looks like it would have to have been a pretty long crank tool. Does anybody have one of these? What do they look like? Were they part of the usual tool kit with the car? Wayne & Barb '42 Super De Luxe Tudor 40guy 11-30-2010 @ 6:14 PM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 270 Joined: Oct 2009 Yes, I have one for my 40". A rough description is, it is a solid steel round bar with a "T" about an inch from the end to engage the crank ratchet. There is also a handle that resembles a Model T crank that fits on the other end to turn with. 42wagon 11-30-2010 @ 6:39 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 584 Joined: Oct 2009 As 40guy sez the hand crank for these cars consists of a long bar plus a crank handle. Joblot Automotive lists it in their catalog as #40-17036-SET at $34.95 in 2009. This was not part of the set of tools supplied with the car. If you don't already have it you should get a copy of the 41-48 Ford book. Available from the Early Ford Club on the home page of this site. In it is a list of the tools that came with the car. Like the Model A they varied slightly from year to year. Ted wrosenkrans 11-30-2010 @ 7:14 PM reply profile send p.m. New Member Posts: 134 Joined: Oct 2010 There was a tool in the compartment under the trunk mat that looks like a small Model T crank with a 7/8 in. socket on one end. I thought it was a lugnut wrench, but I wonder if its the crank part of the starter tool. I did get the 41-48 book from the club and have most of a correct toolkit assembled, except for the large jack handle/tire tool. I'll contact Joblot to see if they still carry the long bar. Wayne & Barb '42 Super De Luxe Tudor 40guy 11-30-2010 @ 8:19 PM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 270 Joined: Oct 2009 O.k. lets get a little more involved in this. The tool you found sounds like a lug wrench. If it fit the crank the end would be square not hex. There were actually two or three kinds of these handles. 1-lug wrench, the other end is plain. 2- lug wrench on one end, square on the other end to mate up with the crank extension {rod]. This is the kind I have. There may have been some with a square end only, but I'm not certain about that. Hope this helps. 37RAGTOPMAN 12-01-2010 @ 6:14 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1958 Joined: Oct 2009 WHAT EVER YOU DO, DO NOT WRAP YOUR THUMB. around the crank handle. cup the handle when cranking, my 3 cents worth 37RAGTOPMAN supereal 12-01-2010 @ 6:42 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 6819 Joined: Oct 2009 Back in the days of the Model T, there was a medical condition actually called a "Ford Fracture". It was the result of holding the crank with a closed fist after forgetting to to push up the spark lever. TomO 12-01-2010 @ 7:25 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 7250 Joined: Oct 2009 Wayne, contact Lin Stacey, the V-8 Club's tool advisor for the correct tools for your 42. Tom wrosenkrans 12-01-2010 @ 10:16 AM reply profile send p.m. New Member Posts: 134 Joined: Oct 2010 Joblot does have the starter crank tools as a set for $34 in their catalogue, and I've ordered them to show with the toolkit. I actually did try to email Lin Stacey when I saw his ad in the latest V-8 magazine, but I get a timeout notice from his server. I'll try again. Been cranking my two T's for some time ('26 Touring and '19 Speedster) and so far have avoided the dreaded "Ford Fracture." Key is, as you said, cupping the crank rather than holding it, always pulling up on the crank, never pushing down, and double checking the spark at full retard. The Model T's start pretty easily on the crank. I did try to crank one of the Model A's once and it was a beast trying to spin the crank with the A's compression. I can't imagine trying to crank the V-8. Anybody actually done it? Been thinking our Black Model T Touring, Black Model A Town Sedan, and Black V-8 Tudor would make an interesting display at a show or school to demonstrate the technology advances from the 20's to the 30's to the 40's. Wayne & Barb '42 Super De Luxe Tudor 42wagon 12-01-2010 @ 10:29 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 584 Joined: Oct 2009 Here's a bit of trivia that probably belongs in a Model A forum but since we are on the subject of starting cars without using the electric starter here goes. It is possible if you catch it just right to start a Model A on compression. Push up the spark retarder and turn the key. If the engine stopped at just the right point, is warm enough, and has a good compression seal, it will start. It has happened to me several times, but like I say you need to catch it just right.

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