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Posted By Discussion Topic: 1933 3 Window Coupe -- page: 1 2     trjford8 08-09-2011 @ 8:22 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 4214 Joined: Oct 2009 Shelby, have you purchased the V-8 Club's 33-34 book? I think you will find that this single book will save you a lot of time and answer most, if not all of your questions. It can be ordered from this site. Another book that will also help you is the Early Ford V-8 as Henry Built It by Francis and DeAngelis. This message was edited by trjford8 on 8-9-11 @ 8:26 AM Shelby 08-09-2011 @ 4:48 AM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 6 Joined: Aug 2011 Charlie Stephens All of the Ford literature that I saw never referenced the 4 cyl as any Model B or C. The infornmation that listed all 4 cyl engines was from "Standard Catalog of American Cars 1805-1942". ford38v8 08-08-2011 @ 9:53 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 2758 Joined: Oct 2009 Charlie, I think you're right about the expectation of the public and of course, of the press. about a progression of letter engine designations. I'll point out, however, that the B was an altogether new engine from the A, which remained basically unchanged until it's retirement in 1934. What a shame the B wasn't revived in '40 instead of offering the woefully underpowered tractor engine. (Even tractor owners replaced it with V8's.) I guess, it would have been a public relations nightmare to go back in time to an previously discarded engine. Alan CharlieStephens 08-08-2011 @ 7:42 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 888 Joined: Oct 2009 Alan, If your theory is correct then people would have called the 4 cylinder 1932 Ford a "Model C" since the "C" designation was used on the head throughout 1932 (the letter "B" had been used on the high compression Model A head produced by Ford). I think it is more likely that the general public was used to calling the 4 cylinder the Model A. In 1932 the 4 cylinder was called the Model B. Then in 1933 it would have been logical to have called the 4 cylinder the Model C but Ford chose not do so. Of course this is just a guess since I wasn't around at the time. Charlie Stephens ford38v8 08-08-2011 @ 6:25 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 2758 Joined: Oct 2009 Shelby, there was no Model C. That myth started when someone pointed to a part number suffix letter C cast into a Model B head. The Model B continued as the lone 4 cylinder Ford engine from 1932 through 1934. No reference to a Model C in the thirties could be found in the "Standard Catalogue Of American Cars" by this reader. Alan TomO 08-08-2011 @ 5:21 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 7250 Joined: Oct 2009 Charlie, There were many 4 cylinder Deluxe cars in 1932. Some of it was that the V-8 was not available in quantity at the beginning of the year and the rest of it due to dealer incentives and personal likes. MIke , all of the Deluxe 1940 cars with a 60 HP engine had to be special ordered, just like the ones with the 239 cu in engine and the closed cars with leather interior. Also I did not rule out the possibility that the car could be a 4 cylinder deluxe, I just said that it was unlikely. Tom kubes40 08-08-2011 @ 3:02 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3394 Joined: Oct 2009 You can't rule out the possibility of a 4 cylinder in a deluxe simply on the grounds the purchaser would probably have not be so frugal as to purchase a 4 cylinder AND a deluxe. In 1940 there are numerous examples of deluxe vehicles, even convertibles, built with the 60HP engine. CharlieStephens 08-08-2011 @ 1:21 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 888 Joined: Oct 2009 Tom, I agree with your observation that "It is unlikely that a someone frugal enough to opt for a 4 cyl, would opt for the Deluxe trim". Having said that I have a tired but unrestored '32 Fordor sedan in the garage that is a deluxe. It was produced early in the year. My guess is that they buyer decided to go with the proven 4 cylinder rather than the new V8 that he didn't know how to work on. I wish I knew the real story. Charlie Stephens This message was edited by CharlieStephens on 8-8-11 @ 1:22 PM Shelby 08-08-2011 @ 1:03 PM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 6 Joined: Aug 2011 Charlie Stephens None of Ford's literature that I saw made any reference to Model B or C. The information showing the Model C was from "Standard Catalog Of American Cars 1805 -1942" ford38v8 08-07-2011 @ 1:19 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 2758 Joined: Oct 2009 Shelby, Some of your confusion may be from reading articles in magazines. The authors of those articles are generally hacks or staff writers having no particular interest nor expertise in the cars they write about. They do an hour of research and an hour to hack the article and move on to the next assignment. All DeLuxe Fords came off the assembly line having DeLuxe features. If it was not factory designated as a DeLuxe Ford, it could technically never become a DeLuxe simply by adding bolt-on options. Up until 1937, a Ford could be fitted with any options that were available at the Dealerships. 1938, '39, and '40 had distinctive body lines on DeLuxe Fords, making it impossible to make a DeLuxe Look~a~like simply with add-on options. Beginning in 1941, the designation "Standard" was banished forever, now being known as DeLuxe. A Super DeLuxe was added, and a Special, which was truly a strip-down painted in grey only. You made reference to the "Standard Catalogue Of American Cars", which is a tremendous resource, but understandably cannot devote more than a page or two to any one car of a particular year. I'll say again, the "1933-34 Ford Restoration Guide" is the ultimate resource for your car. Alan

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