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Posted By Discussion Topic: Ford 1937 Phaeton - what shade of Green ? -- page: 1 2     ford38v8 10-30-2010 @ 10:31 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 2765 Joined: Oct 2009 Desert Sand was an Easter Color in 1936. It was discontinued after the promo period in all plants but Long Beach Ca and Richmond Ca, which were instructed to continue the color through the 1938 production year. 37ragtop has a good example of the Desert Sand color. Color chips darken with age and exposure to sunlight. That is why most of the chips you see are almost black. Alan Stroker 10-30-2010 @ 3:10 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1460 Joined: Oct 2009 Still: My 38-39 Book by the very through Gary Mallast includes the "Bright" in referencing M-1751; whereas like your's, my PPG "Ditzler" book simply calls it Vineyard Green. I wonder why they never had a color called Lemon Yellow? Old Henry 10-30-2010 @ 7:55 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 738 Joined: Apr 2010 My paint chip sheet for early Ford colors put out by PPG does not use the word "bright" with Vineyard Green. It just calls that dark green color Vineyard Green. Image attached. Still Old Henry Stroker 10-30-2010 @ 7:29 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1460 Joined: Oct 2009 Ravi: I had a 38 Ford parts car back in the 50's that was painted Bright Vineyard Green. I wondered at the time why Ford would call a color that was very close to British Racing Green "Bright", and what did this very dark shade have to do with vineyards, as grapevine leaves are not dark. I have wondered a lot about Dalmatian Green, as having never been to Southern Croatia, I can only imagine that the entire area was carpeted in chaparral. I have a Dalmatian dog that is definitely not green. 1937-38 Desert Sand is another example. It has a definite "green cast" that is not often observed in the sands of most deserts I have been to. There are many others, like Harbor Gray (1941) that brings up visions of fog horns. Maybe someone has some insight into color naming conventions, if so, I'd love to hear it. ravi.avalur 10-29-2010 @ 11:38 PM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 53 Joined: Aug 2010 In fact, found a layer under a layer on the central door pillar.... a deep green that looks quite like bright vineyard green as per the color chip print in the 37 Ford book. My only question would be why bright vineyard green is named as such when it is actually quite dark ? ravi.avalur 10-29-2010 @ 11:30 PM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 53 Joined: Aug 2010 What a beautiful car that is ! And what a fantastic color. Any more pictures, including a three quarter shot would be much appreciated. Stroker 10-28-2010 @ 5:09 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1460 Joined: Oct 2009 37-My dad ordered my 38 wagon in November 37, assuming it would come through as a 37. The color he ordered was Dalmatian Green, but when the order was filled, of course Dalmatian Green was no longer an option. His (now my) wagon came through painted Desert Sand, which is really pretty close. I've seen your posted pictures of your beautiful 37, and thought it looked a little "light" to be Dalmatian Green. Thanks for clearing that up. 37RAGTOPMAN 10-28-2010 @ 3:59 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1963 Joined: Oct 2009 Stoker Years ago when at a V8 NATIONAL MEET, I found out that DESERT SAND was a 1937 FORD SPRING COLOR. that was brought out in CALIFORNIA.to aid in FORD sales, I guess it was carried over for 1938 and maybe 1939, but not sure, I was told this by ROY N. from MI. I painted my 1937 this color, it is a APRIL CAR, My 3 cents worth, 37RAGTOPMAN an KEEP on FORDIN,,,!!!! Old Henry 10-28-2010 @ 2:48 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 738 Joined: Apr 2010 Here's the number for the Henry Ford Museum that now stores all of the build sheets that still exist for you to call to find out exactly what color your car was when built (and a lot of other original options) if they still have your sheet: 313-271-1620 I've posted an image of their response with a photo copy of a build sheet for a friend of mine's '48 Lincoln Zephyr. Still Old Henry Stroker 10-28-2010 @ 7:28 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1460 Joined: Oct 2009 Years ago, when no one seemed to have heard of 1938 Desert Sand, I carefully pried the stainless center off of my station wagon's spare hubcap (37's also use the two-piece design). Those caps were painted before the stainless was crimped on. Under the stainless was a good example of the color that had never been exposed to daylight. I packed the cap off to Bill Hirsch, and they came up with a beautiful match. So Ravi, if you have an original cap, I'd look under the stainless center cover. Also, it is possible that like my 38 which came from the Long Beach California assembly plant, and had a color that was West Coast specific for "Open" cars, Ford of Canada might have had some special colors that would not show up on most color chips.

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