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Posted By Discussion Topic: water pump new vs old? -- page: 1 2 3 4     TomO 02-07-2022 @ 7:50 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 7250 Joined: Oct 2009 He always uses the improved impeller according to his website. http://www.fordcollector.com/water_pumps.htm Tom chucky 02-06-2022 @ 1:54 PM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 82 Joined: Jan 2022 Does Skip Haney always change to the high flow water pump vanes or is it a special request kubes40 09-11-2010 @ 5:05 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3395 Joined: Oct 2009 Ford script pumps didn't come out until May, 1947, so to have a set in 37... well, just not possible TomO 09-10-2010 @ 10:14 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 7250 Joined: Oct 2009 George, I do not want to continue to harp on the failure of the pumps that Skip rebuilt for me,but I have to correct your misrepresentation. I sent one set of pumps to Skip for rebuild, I installed them on my car and the left pump seized within the first 50 miles. I put on my used pumps and sent the sized pump to Skip. He rebuilt the pump again at no cost to me. I re installed the pumps on my car and the right pump failed before I had driven it another 20 miles. I changed both pumps and continued on the tour. I sent the right pump back to Skip for repair and he again rebuilt it at no charge. I installed Speedway pumps on my car while I was waiting for the pump from Skip and have not removed them because I have been satisfied with the performance. As I have said in many posts in this forum, Skips pumps do move more water than any other that I have used and that cooling requires a sufficient quantity of water and air moving through the radiator. Reducing either one or both will cause over heating. Despite your claims, Skip is not infallible, he is not God and like every other human makes mistakes. Unlike you, he is willing to admit to his humanity and willing to stand behind his work. Neither I, Supereal or other contributors to this Forum have claimed to know all there is to know about the flathead era cars, but you continue to say that any solution that has worked for you is the only solution to the problem. Wake up and realize that no one knows all of the answers all of the time and that each situation is different. This is my last contribution to this tirade. Tom don1950ford 09-10-2010 @ 8:01 AM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 6 Joined: Oct 2009 george, all these people are asking you to do is to say: "for more information on high volume skips pumps, please contact the following web site "WWW.fordsrus.com (or how ever it is spelled) or call the following telephone number for more information on how the pumps work" From YOU we are asking: no name calling, no insulting people, no caustic remarks, no sales pitches, respect other peoples opeions that may be different than yours, allow people to post fixes that may be different than yours without screaming at them and insulting them or telling them they are wrong. just refer them to your web site and/or telephone number and let it go. be nice. we all know you invented the pumps and gave the bussiness to skip. let him run it. maybe you can just stay in the background and answer the telephone for skip and web requests for information. do your sales there, not on here. thank you so much for any consideration, don (and probably a bunch of other people that should also post their dis-satisfaction with your caustic postings so you can see that there are more than just a few whiners, but real people out here on the V8 site) GM 09-10-2010 @ 7:22 AM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 15 Joined: Oct 2009 Alan go back and read the posts I respond to and you will find the same little group tries to make others believe that the modified pumps don't do much to improve cooling. The same ones all join in each time I respond to a false or misleading statement. One of the long time heaklers was called down for his comments by a number of posters and changed his name but not his tactics. The same ones can continue to make false statements and if I respond I'm the vilan. Most people on these forums know how many old Fords are now drivable from Skips coils and pumps, the problem is there are new people on here all the time and can benifit from what has helped at least 15,000 old Fords over the past 13 years with simple bolt on improvements. My intentions are to help others to get their old Fords running so they can enjoy them as a lot of us do. If Skip gets a little help off here that's good to he deserves it for what he has done for so many. Most of his business is for other cars the that are owned by a customer and friends telling others how the improvments worked on their cars. If I find other products that work good I also tell readers and describe the products, the IH-200 condenser, NGK plugs, airtex fuel pumps, gadgiteers flex hose, uncle Max's stromberg carb. service just to mention a few. If I answer a question about water pumps or even a question specificly about Skips pumps it's taken by some as an add for Skip wkich is not the purpose, my main purpose is to help get the problem solved or answer the question. Tom we never had any problems but I was a little surprised by one of your recent posts, it didn't seem to fit you.. G.M. ford38v8 09-09-2010 @ 11:10 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 2758 Joined: Oct 2009 OK, enough. Let's not become guilty of what GM is accused of. George, You have our respect and appreciation of your knowledge and accomplishments, but only Henry Ford himself gets our veneration. Can't we all just get along now? Alan larryb346 09-09-2010 @ 8:12 PM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 27 Joined: Jan 2010 I agree in the horrible spokesperson for skip. GM's attitude toward others on this excellent forum need to be addressed. In using the search function, his first post since feb., was his rant about the pumps on this post. Really missed him. Perhaps another choice on the outburst. Perhaps he is just sick like below.At lease if that is the case he could get treatment. Narcissism is categorized as a personality disorder by the mental health profession. It is referred to as NPD or Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Few are ever diagnosed because few go to therapy. Narcissism is not high self-esteem, but a condition where the typical narcissist suffers from * Preoccupation with hiding real or perceived flaws * Overestimation of importance, achievements, talents and skills * Maladaptive attention seeking behavior * Inability to empathize with others * Excessive anger and shame in response to criticism often resulting in rage The narcissist will often manipulate others, especially partners, to control them. Projection and blame are hallmarks of this manipulation. It is estimated that 85% of narcissists are males. don1950ford 09-09-2010 @ 9:07 AM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 6 Joined: Oct 2009 well, heees back. he got asked not to advertize or make umpleasant remarks in posts on fordbarn, so.... maybe next it will be on HAMB? As to clearify Vitriol: something highly caustic or severe in effect, as criticism. harsh or corrosive in tone; "an acerbic tone piercing otherwise flowery prose"; "a barrage of acid comments"; "his acrid remarks make him many enemies"; "bitter words"; "blistering criticism"; "caustic responses about water pumps, experienced mechanics and other people’s openions"; "a sulfurous denunciation"; "a vitriolic critique", disagreeable to the senses, to the mind, or feelings ; "an unpleasant personality"; "unpleasant repercussions" i do not know how GM thinks these caustic remarks help his and skips business. if i replied to my customers in that manner i would not have many left. but, he is the spoksman for skips and he is all knowing and has an aptitude for insulting anyone who disagrees with his openion. GM 09-08-2010 @ 9:41 PM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 15 Joined: Oct 2009 Dan, I had a collection of 50 cars, mostly old Fords and Skip worked for me for about 20 years. I developed a few improvements for my own use on the old Fords so I could drive them. I told Skip he could do these modifications for others and it is his own deal. He got so busy he could no longer work for me and do the repairs for others. I let him use my shop for the pumps and does the coils at home. When you rebuild parts such as water pumps there can be problems that show up from time to time and when it happens several times you have to take a good look to see what caused the problem and check things better or make changes. When something strange happens Skip usually shows me and asks my opinion and we come up with a solution so it don't happen again. When the pumps mentioned above came back the second time with gauled shafts due to the lack of lubrication he showed me the shaft then discovered the silicon blocking the oil hole in the pump. If I recall as this was several years ago only one pump had the silicon and shaft damage and the other pump didn't have silicon and was OK. The shaft bushings are all reamed for a specific clearance and when assembled Skip being a one man operation knows the feel of the shaft that is ground to the exact size when inserted in the bushings. Bushings fit properly will last for 30 years or longer if properly lubricated and the belt is not super tight with no play. There is very little wear on the bushings of the pumps that come for modifications and some of these are original pumps that ran for many years. You need about 1/2" to 3/4" play on the belt half way between the pump and generator. Every pump is tested for at least 5 minutes pumping water on a test machine and the pumping information recorded in his log. After taken off the machine he blows them dry, feels how they turn and primes them. Any slight variation found when testing the pump is disassembled and checked. G.M.

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