Early Ford V-8 Club Forum

FORUM RULES: Users agree to these Rules when using Forum.

The site administrator reserves the right to change the terms and conditions of the user agreement without prior notice to the user. It is the responsibility of the user to regularly review the terms of this agreement.

The user agrees to the following terms:

All information that you provide to us for your membership is correct.
You will not use your membership to spam, harrass, or exploit other members in any way.
Vulgar, Abusive, Racist and Sexist Language will not be tolerated.
Commercial-type sales postings will not be allowed.
No mass posting or flooding of the boards is allowed.
No Advertising of parts or cars; no Ebay or business/commercial ads (please use the "Classified" for ads Wanted or For Sale).
VIEWING MULTIPLE TOPICS ON SCREEN: You can choose to see more than 10 Topics at a time ... Log In and choose "Preferences" from the top bar on the Forum page. Scroll down and Change the "Default Topics Returned" parameter to 25 or 50, and save the changes. Since this setting is stored in your browser 'cookies' (if enabled), it seems to use that stored value even if you are not logged in. So, if you use a PC that you haven't logged into the forum from, the setting still seem to remain at the default.
EXTERNAL PHOTO LINKS ON FORUM: You can still use external photo links in your posts on the new forum. They follow the rules of any link in that they have to have the URL link qualified down to the full image file name (example: .jpg). The links will open in a new browser window, the same as an uploaded image attached to a post. Since an image attachment to any post does not display inline with the post, the results are the same. You can use multiple external links within a post. This link is from photos on a site from Don Clink's 'Deuce@75' albums:

http://donclink.com/deuce_75_1/images/dscn2950.jpg

Using links from photo sites such as Photobucket can help in "size" issue with uploaded attachment files. For best viewing in web browsers, photos should be around the 800x600 pixel range, and probably not more than 1024x768. Most cameras today store HUGE jpg image files, as the default settings are in the 7, 8, 10, and 12Mb image sizes. The image files that are then attached are very large, and the browser can't display the full image size without using the scroll bars. Use the re-sizing functions of your photo editing software to reduce the image to 800x600, which reduces the file sixe and the image load time in the browser. Don uses Google's free Picassa3 software, which is an excellent photo management product. All of the photo albums of the Deuce, Grand National, and Auburn that are links on the NORG site were built using Picassa's web creation functions. And it's free? (THANKS to Don Clink for the info!)
HOW DO I SHOW MY EMAIL ADDRESS ALONG WITH MY USERNAME? You can LogIn on the Forum, and select PREFERENCES. On this page Members can add optional information such as their City,State, Country; Occupation; Hobbies: list a Homepage; list AOL Instant Messanger Handle; Signature; "Make Email Address viewable to others;" and even change the number of Default Topics shown on a page. WHEN others click on your profile, they will see this information.

EFV-8 Club Forum / General Ford Discussion / Judges Opinions Wanted: Tire Valve Stem Caps/Cover

Reply to Discussion | New Discussion

<< previous || next >>

Posted By

Discussion Topic: Judges Opinions Wanted: Tire Valve Stem Caps/Cover

VT/JeffH

12-17-2014 @ 10:41 AM

reply profile send p.m.

New Member
Posts: 153
Joined: May 2010

Hi Everyone, First, Thanks to everyone that makes this club work so well. I have so much fun at the National Meets, and the members of my RG (#36) are treasured friends. The people who run the National Club (past & present), and the webmaster here, RG newsletter editors, the folks who sweat out the V8 Times, and National Meet hosts all get a great big THANK YOU from me.

When I've done judging in the past (35-36 team), I've always taken the Chassis page of the judging packet, so wheels and tires are my call. I don't like being unsure about how to approach point deductions.

Here's the purpose of my post, I'm wondering what y'all think the Concourse Judging correct setup is for Tire Valve Stem Caps?

P. 91 of the Swanberg/Rogers '35-'36 book states: "From examination of factory photos, it appears that the caps on all of the wheels were domed. It is quite possible, however, that any combination of domed or valve stem remover cap could have been supplied."

I don't have the ability to check any of the other books right now.

The judging sheet lists "Standard Deduction Points: 3 - All Wrong Valve Caps."

What do the restoration book authors and Deputy Judges out there have to say on this topic?

-Jeff H

trjford8

12-17-2014 @ 5:06 PM

reply profile send p.m.

Senior
Posts: 4215
Joined: Oct 2009

Jeff as a Deputy Judge on occasion I would approach it from this perspective; if the caps are "era" correct I would not dock them any points. The book statement indicates that there is the possibility of other types of caps. Ford did not make valve caps and they came from outside sources. Most sources were close to the assembly plants and Ford used whatever helped get the car through the assembly line. I think unless we know for sure that Ford used a certain type of part we should not make a deduction. Some years ago I saw a '36 roadster that had the smooth firewall on one side and the one with the X on the other side. There was no evidence the car had ever been wrecked or had any major body work. A case that Ford used up whatever was left.

This message was edited by trjford8 on 12-17-14 @ 5:07 PM

ford38v8

12-17-2014 @ 6:16 PM

reply profile send p.m.

Senior
Posts: 2762
Joined: Oct 2009

I support Tom's assessment of the question. I also feel that the somewhat vaque reference on the judging sheet represents a healthy outlook that is repeated elsewhere on the judging sheets, thereby promoting ongoing discussion and research. Further, although the club's books are invaluable to restorers, they do not now nor have they ever had the last word on what is correct for any Ford product. That responsibility belongs to the Chief Judge with the guidance and support of the Judging Standards Committee.

That being said, I would be inclined to give a nod to a car having all identical caps, and a discrepancy note without deduction to those without. I feel that to display a car with differing caps would be an unrealistic demonstration of the unlikely, rather than the most likely.

Alan

TomO

12-18-2014 @ 8:27 AM

reply profile send p.m.

Senior
Posts: 7253
Joined: Oct 2009

In the 40's most of the cars came with one cap that could remove the valve stem. This was usually on the spare. I believe that quite a few cars in the 30's also had the same configuration.

When I was judging, I would let either configuration of metal caps pass with no point deduction. I doubt that the assembly line would slow down just to get the correct cap or that the dealer prep always caught the error, when the tires were checked.

I agree with the quote from the 35-36 book.

Tom

This message was edited by TomO on 12-18-14 @ 8:28 AM

trjford8

12-19-2014 @ 10:06 AM

reply profile send p.m.

Senior
Posts: 4215
Joined: Oct 2009

TomO brings up a good point regarding the cap on the spare to remove the vale core. It goes right along with the fact that Henry included tire irons in the tool kits. A lot of tubes got patched along side of the road miles from nowhere.

<< previous || next >>

NOTE: YOU MUST BE A REGISTERED USER AND BE LOGGED IN TO POST (and reply to) messages in this forum. If you are a first time user, please click the CREATE A NEW ACCOUNT in the masthead above to register and Log In. After that, all you do is LOG IN to enjoy using this site.

DISCLAIMER: The V-8 Club does no independent testing of any of the opinions, thoughts or suggestions presented in the website on the Forum, in the Tech Tips section, or any section. A reader should consider the website to be a forum wherein differing solutions to a particular set of circumstances may be discussed. Ultimately, the selection of an item for an individual's vehicle must be based upon the independent study of the vehicle owner in consultation with people in the hobby and restoration experts.

Early Ford V-8 Club Forum

Merchandise Questions

Membership Questions