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Posted By Discussion Topic: 38 Ford intake manifold -- page: 1 2 3 4     Stroker 12-07-2009 @ 6:11 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1460 Joined: Oct 2009 Alan: I really appreciate the advice on the "fine points". I currently have a 97 on it as that's what I have the most of, left over from my "multi-carb" days. I only have a few "Chandler-Groves style" Holly-built Ford script carbs, and of course they are, 91-99's and Holly 94's which as you correctly state is just a little too new. For now, I think I'll stay with the "leaker" and maybe upgrade it with one of the newer aftermarket floats and accelerator pumps. Someday, I'll try and find a 94, as I believe the CG design is a little "smoother-operating". jerry.grayson 12-07-2009 @ 2:13 PM reply profile send p.m. New Member Posts: 128 Joined: Oct 2009 The 37-39 aluminum intake manifold is easy to spot. It has a low generator mount and the 36 has a tall generator mount. jerry.grayson 12-07-2009 @ 2:13 PM reply profile send p.m. New Member Posts: 128 Joined: Oct 2009 The 37-39 aluminum intake manifold is easy to spot. It has a low generator mount and the 36 has a tall generator mount. Stroker 12-07-2009 @ 3:26 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1460 Joined: Oct 2009 Thank You Jerry! Kind of makes sense, given the "overhanging" radiator head-tank. Appreciate the input. Fred 12-29-2009 @ 2:07 PM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 9 Joined: Dec 2009 I know I am posting this well after most of the interest in this thread has run out, but I thought I would throw in my two cents worth. I have a 38 standard coupe with its original 21 stud motor and glass dating the car at the earliest in late spring. Most original 38s I have seen have 21 stud motors in them. Stroker 12-29-2009 @ 3:37 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1460 Joined: Oct 2009 Fred: Thanks for reviving my original post, as I don't believe there is an easy answer to my original question. Dad had established an interesting relationship with our local Pomona CA dealer. He bought a 33 5-window, traded it for a 34 5-window, then a 35 5-window, a 36 3-window, and then traded the 35 for a 37 coupe. My grandmother kept the 36 3-window, and traded it in on a 40 Zephyr. In 1938, dad traded the 37 in on the 38 wagon in question. Dad figured that with the cost of tires, batteries, and other consumables, and given the fact that he had a complete, well stocked service area for ranch equipment (including a grease pit), that the dealer always had a waiting list for whatever he turned in since there was never a question as to maintenance, and his average mileage was less than 5,000 miles a year, mostly road miles from his properties in Paso Robles, Imperial and Alta Loma. Beyond the cars, we had a string of Ford trucks that were also sourced from this dealer. Having said that, and having grown up in this environment, I would say that the Old Man had more than average "leverage" with this dealer. When he bought the wagon, he ordered it with just about everything you could option out. It had a radio, 3-seats, leather front seat, sun visors (Sorry Gary), dealer installed spot light, radio Columbia overdrive and a "so-called" truck engine. Since I wasn't quite a gleam in his eye at this point, I cannot personally attest to the spec's, but I do remember the "howl" it gave off, due to the 6-blade fan. As I said at the very beginning of this post, by the time I was wrenching on our collection of Ford-powered equipment, Dad had changed the motor a couple of times. In about 1975, I was in the middle of one of my re-restorations of this old gal, and my brother mentioned that the Stromberg I had on it was wrong. Bro said that when it was new,(he would have been about 7) it had a Chandler-Groves on it. So....we may never know whether it was a 24-stud commercial truck motor perhaps special ordered, or a late 21 stud with a CG carb. As far as I'm concerned it is kind of an open question. 40 Coupe 12-30-2009 @ 6:42 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1674 Joined: Oct 2009 all of the wagons were assembled in Iron Mountain Mich. The order may have gone through Long Beach. The Columbia was probbly not installed by the dealer but the dealer delivered the wagon to an authorize Columbia installer in the area and afterward delivered it to your dad. If you can find someone with the 38 Reference Manual for dealers and salesmen this will have the optional equipment available through Ford. 40 Coupe 12-30-2009 @ 6:43 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1674 Joined: Oct 2009 all of the wagons were assembled in Iron Mountain Mich. The order may have gone through Long Beach. The Columbia was probbly not installed by the dealer but the dealer delivered the wagon to an authorize Columbia installer in the area and afterward delivered it to your dad. If you can find someone with the 38 Reference Manual for dealers and salesmen this will have the optional equipment available through Ford. Stroker 12-30-2009 @ 3:06 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1460 Joined: Oct 2009 40 Coupe: I agree with your conjecture that the Columbia was most likely installed by an authorized installer. As a long time member of the National Woodie Club, and V8-Club member in the 70's, I recall seeing photo's of steel shipping crates being used at Iron Mountain to convey wagon parts to the various assembly plants. It is my understanding that Ford started building complete wagon bodies in 1937 at Iron Mountain. What I don't know is the degree of completion and pre-assembly that took place in 1938. It has been my understanding that these body assemblies were only the left and right hand body halves plus top slats, windshield header and tailgate parts, which were then nested into these narrow steel reusable containers. Others have suggested that by 1938, that the complete body assembly (which would consist of the sides, top and cowling) were rail-shipped pre-assembled to the various final assembly plants. I wish someone that is closer to the Ford archives would research this question. At present, I do not believe that "rolling chassis", nor completed vehicles ever exited Iron Mountain. 40 Coupe 12-31-2009 @ 10:04 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1674 Joined: Oct 2009 stoker According to L. Sorensen in "Famous Ford Woodies" Iron Mountain produced all the wood for all the wagons from 34 to 51 when it closed. By 38 Iron Mountain produced the unfinished wood as loose pieces and assemblies, such as doors, qtr. pnls, tailgates, and seat frames, shipped them to Murray in Detroit. Murray did final body assembly and furnished the stampings necesssary including rear fenders. Forgings were furnished by other Co.s. It then appears the finished body was shipped to various Ford assembly plants and met with their chassis. It was not until 1940 that Iron Mountain produced the entire body. I stand corrected your wagon could have had it`s final assembly in Long Beach!

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