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TomO

03-25-2011 @ 8:00 AM

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It is hard to tell what is different about your starter drive from the drawing in Mac's catalog.

Does it have a spring instead of the drive grooves to rotate the gear as it engages the flywheel? If so, I would be reluctant to use it on my car. I would rather have the the grooves to rotate the gear, as the original drive has.

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03-24-2011 @ 5:44 PM

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Sorry,I gave wrong information about the new starter drive.It was purchased from Mac's Auto.Check out the attachment.Has anyone used a drive like this?

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03-24-2011 @ 1:38 PM

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According to a Ford service bulletin #11000, there was a Briggs and Stratton drive (91A-11350)called a "rubber" drive for the full sized engine in 1940. It is shown on page 17, subject 11350, dated Aug. 1, 1941, that resembled the 60HP drive. It had a 10 tooth gear, as opposed to the "52" unit on the 60HP, which had 9 teeth. This drive was superceded by the more common Bendix drive B-11350 for replacement, and had a light spring in addition to the usual kind. I've never seen one, but I heard of them many years ago.

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03-24-2011 @ 10:26 AM

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I have 2 NOS Ford starter drives and neither of them has a small thin spring, just the heavy duty Bendix spring, P/N B-11375, to return the starter drive to the disengaged position. Dennis Carpenter has a clearer picture in his online catalog.

http://www.parts123.com/parts123/yb.dll?Parta~PartSort~A0~cadefffQ~~~~A40~A31

I only see one spring in the illustration. . I do see the grooves for the gear move and turn as it engages the flywheel.

I do not understand the need for an additional spring or what function it would provide. The 60 HP stater drive is completely different.

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03-23-2011 @ 6:00 PM

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The engine is a 59AB (95-100HP)That illustration shows the small spring at the gear.I got a repo from Carpenters and it has the spring on it!I don't quiet understand what you are saying TomO.

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03-22-2011 @ 8:14 AM

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Unless you have a 60 HP starter, there is no small thin spring on the starter drive. Just the heavy duty Bendix spring.

See

https://secure435.hostgator.com/~dlvry40/ufolder/ShowProducts.php?c=1&s=18&g=135&t=1001

for an illustration of the starter drive.

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03-21-2011 @ 9:06 PM

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I just wanted to give an up date on my starter problem. I pulled the starter and the small thin spring was gone on the drive.Also,there was no starter support bracket installed.I got a new drive and bracket and I figured since I had the starter off it should be checked as far as the brushes,bushings and all.Thanks for all the help.

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03-18-2011 @ 8:47 AM

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Alanwoodieman had the easiest and most likely solution to the starter lock up problem.

The missing bracket will cause the starter housing to move enough to change the clearance between the drive and the ring gear. The thin bolts holding the starter to the oil pan flex under load to cause this problem.

The bracket fits between the starter bolt and a pan bolt. It is being reproduced as P/N 51A-11140.

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03-18-2011 @ 6:56 AM

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I have the same problem occasionally with my Model A Roadster. Apparently the engine tends to stop at two points 180 degrees from each other on the ring gear. Those points wear more quickly than the rest of the gear due to the constant point of engagement with the starter. The V8's apparently exhibit the same phenomena. I just live with it for now knowing I have to rock it every not and then.

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alanwoodieman

03-17-2011 @ 4:11 PM

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do you have the small bracket between starter and oil pan? stater itself could be moving enough to lock up

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