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Posted By Discussion Topic: Electric Fuel Pump -- page: 1 2 3     MG 03-27-2022 @ 5:25 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1260 Joined: Nov 2009 Kubarth said "I give up" > This is a good thing... kubes40 03-27-2022 @ 3:16 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3406 Joined: Oct 2009 I give up. Mike "Kube" Kubarth wmsteed 03-27-2022 @ 2:03 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 613 Joined: Oct 2009 As noted in the above; the original question was-- " Is installing electric fuel pumps acceptable for Dearborn Concourse judging?" Kens 36 reply; "Per the Early Ford V-8 Club's judging manual:" Effective for National Meets in 2017 forward, there will no deductions for electric fuel pumps as long as they are neatly installed near the fuel tank and are not the primary means for providing fuel to the engine, i.e., the mechanical fuel pump must not be disabled. My response to the question was consistent with Ken's reply. I, as many other people have found out, the original Ford fuel pump and it's location is very prone to failure. I stated my experience's on two occasions with the with the Ford fuel pumps quitting at difficult times under difficult conditions, the first time resulting in having to walk/jog over twenty miles to secure a replacement pump I like my cars to be reliable and safe. I also like the repairs/ modifications I do to vehicles to be neat and as clean as possible. I don't like anything on the dash that does not belong there, that includes switches etc Reading the directions that come with an electric pump you will find that it is recommended that the pump be placed as close to the tank as possible, electric pumps push better than they pull. If the mechanical pump has only failed do to a valving problem, and/or the diaphram has not failed, which will result in pumping raw fuel into the engine, the average electric pump will pump through the manual pump.. Bill 36 5 win delx cpe This message was edited by wmsteed on 3-28-22 @ 8:07 AM Jacques1960 03-27-2022 @ 5:14 AM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 201 Joined: Aug 2020 Deep breath, exhale. Thank you gentlemen, all. kubes40 03-26-2022 @ 12:34 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3406 Joined: Oct 2009 Hey Don (bigred51), I was wondering how an electric pump helps you when you are boxed in by eighteen wheelers and your condenser fails? Enlighten me please... how exactly does more fuel delivery repair a defective condenser? Mike "Kube" Kubarth kubes40 03-26-2022 @ 11:38 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3406 Joined: Oct 2009 Bill, This is not a discussion about the possible necessity of an electric pump. It is a discussion as to why the pump is now allowed on the concourse (point judged vehicles) without receiving a deduction. The concourse was designed to hold vehicles for judging according to how the vehicle was authentically built. So, let's say I'm unable to get the generator to charge on my car. I install an alternator. Ya think there should be a point deduction for that? Simply because I do not have the necessary knowledge to get my (correct) charging system to operate properly? Rules like this electric pump are in my opinion made to allow folks that could not otherwise "win" to well, "win". Never quite understood changing any rule simply because a guy doesn't like the game or can't win as the rules stand. I was taught to either become better at the "game" or change sports. I am happy for you in that you'd found a way to make your car more dependable. To make the leap that Fords that are driven require these pumps? How did you make that leap? Mike "Kube" Kubarth This message was edited by kubes40 on 3-26-22 @ 12:30 PM wmsteed 03-26-2022 @ 11:29 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 613 Joined: Oct 2009 Having just finished reading through the three pages of comments pertaining to Electric Fuel Pumps, it became very apparent that the majority of the comments were not written by people that had actually driven an Early V8 Ford on a hot summer day in the mountains and/or heavy traffic. I was introduced to flat-head Ford ownership in 1952 when I bought my '36 coupe, prior to this purchase, I had owned several Chevrolet' that were not prone to vapor lock and/or fuel pump failure.. I experienced my first Ford fuel pump failure in the middle of the night on a very rural highway between Idaho Falls and Salt Lake City. Not a happy event. After walking many miles to the nearest small town I was finally able to obtain a fuel pump for a Newhalland baler that had a Wisconsin V-4 engine. In a short period of time I purchased an electric fuel pump to use as an aux pump to eliminate vapor lock, etc. A couple years went bye with no problems so the pump was sitting in it's original carton in the trunk. Two years later i had moved to Vegas, driving from Vegas to LA in the middle of the night to avoid the heat the fuel pump quit. Fortunately I had a new electric pump in the trunk, a temporary install of the electric pump got me to San Bernardino, I purchased a new pump. Within a few days of returning to Vegas I installed the electric pump close to the tank with a toggle switch under the dash to control the pump. I have driven my '36 Ford over 95,K miles during the many years I have own it, it has never failed me. Bill 36 5 win delx cpe Kens 36 03-23-2022 @ 2:17 PM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 347 Joined: Oct 2009 John McBurney was just appointed to the JSC Chairman position last week. His predecessor, listed in the V-8 Times, was Chair when the decision was made. Ken kubes40 03-23-2022 @ 1:02 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3406 Joined: Oct 2009 Thanks Ken. I will reach out to the person you'd advised and will report back at a future date in regard to the reasoning behind changing the club's basis concourse judging principles. If I am understanding correctly, this would be John McBurney. Correct? If so, there is no email address listed. Perhaps you could provide that? Thank you. As a side note of sorts...I will NOT, in this forum discuss how judges on the concourse "go by the rules". Mike "Kube" Kubarth This message was edited by kubes40 on 3-23-22 @ 1:06 PM Kens 36 03-23-2022 @ 12:46 PM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 347 Joined: Oct 2009 As often happens, this thread has wandered off from the original question. Please forgive this lengthy response. The original poster asked a question about the Early Ford V-8 Club of America (EFV8CA) judging policy regarding backup electric fuel pumps. He was given a concise answer directly from the EFV8CA judging manual in the following post. I agree with Mike that the discussion of the perceptions of the pros and cons of the electric fuel pump issue should be a separate thread. Mike, you keep asking me to chime in, but I thought I had answered your questions, and the OP's, about the electric fuel pump rule. I believed that I was clear in the answer I gave in post #6, but perhaps I was not. Yes, I am the National Chief Judge of the EFV8CA. In that position, I am an ex-officio member of the Judging Standards Committee (JSC). However, I was not the Chief Judge nor was I on the JSC back in 2016 when the decision regarding electric fuel pumps was made. As I stated in that response, you are free to reach out to the then Chairman of the JSC if you want the reasoning behind the rule change. His name is listed on the back inside cover of each V-8 Times magazine and his contact information is on the Technical Advisors page, where yours appears. I’m sure you know him. I do not believe that he is a poster on these forums. He has recently retired from the JSC Chair position; the new Chairman is shown on the EFV8CA website. As National Chief Judge, I have duties and responsibilities set out in writing by the EFV8CA. Among them are: Handles all disputes arising at National Meets requiring interpretation of Judging Standards policy; ensures accuracy, uniformity and fairness of judging process used at National Meets; interprets and responds to all JSC decisions and policies but does not set or establish policy; as necessary, ensures enforcement of Judging Standards as established by the JSC. At a meet I hope to assure members that all of the judging standards are applied fairly by every judge. Not every member agrees with every point deduction (or non-deduction) on the Concourse. But the judges do not have discretion to pick and choose which provisions they will or will not comply with. If you want me to explain why the JSC promulgated that rule, then you are asking the wrong person. My duties are to ensure that the rules are carried out, not to explain or justify the reasons for them. I identified the person who can explain on March 19.

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