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Posted By Discussion Topic: 1940 Ford Transmission -- page: 1 2     kubes40 02-15-2017 @ 10:25 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3396 Joined: Oct 2009 I was certain you knew what that saying meant. I am still chuckling from it. Rest assured, I WILL find an appropriate time to use it. Stroker 02-15-2017 @ 9:45 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1460 Joined: Oct 2009 I'm now "re-hanging" the front sheet metal, and installing a beautiful CG Carb and "correct" fuel pump that I got from fellow V8er Ken Isadore. Roy Nacewicz provided the "correct" fuel and vacuum lines for my alloy intake, so plan upon firing her back up in a few days. So MUCH easier for this "old guy" to wrench on the motor with the fenders off. Alan Simpson has contributed many suggestions on getting her right, and if it wasn't for our Club, and this great forum I wouldn't have a CLUE as to how to make her correct. I often wondered why the original Desert Sand color wasn't shown in any of the original brochures, but the Club allowed me to determine what "Easter Colors" were, and how Ford used up some left-over paint in 1938 on "open-chassis" cars assembled in Long Beach that year. I could have never kept her close to being "right" without the EV8 Club. Thank You ALL! Stroker 02-15-2017 @ 9:28 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1460 Joined: Oct 2009 Kube, I've used "Long of Tooth" for a LONG time... I grew-up around horses, so I'm also aware of the "origin" of this rural term. Like you, I believe in the concept of "vehicle integrity" first and foremost. AND..I'm really kind of "secretly hoping" that Ford actually did build a handful of 40's with floor-shift transmissions though, as that would be a fascinating discovery. My old wagon "is what it is", nothing more or less. I love her, and hope to enjoy her for a while longer. Here's a photo I took of her about a month ago after she received a fresh varnish job. kubes40 02-15-2017 @ 8:18 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3396 Joined: Oct 2009 Stroker, I am perhaps one of a handful on this site that knows where the analogy "long in the tooth" comes from. I'd never thought to use it the way you have. It certainly applies! I mean, not to you necessarily but in the way you used it. I will have to add that to my "one liners". Around here, a lot of folks will know what it means in an instant. Kindest regards to ya, Mike trjford8 02-15-2017 @ 7:46 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 4214 Joined: Oct 2009 Great post and some points that I still would like to see resolved by the owner of this "early" car.. If the owner of this "early" '40 Ford has some documentation regarding the floor shift it would be nice to see it. It would also be nice to see some photos of the actual frame number and the transmission number. I agree with Kube that until there is some real documented(from the archives or other verified source) proof of the existence of 513 '40 Ford cars with the floor shift, this claim comes down to an urban legend. As a kid in high school I can't tell you how many '40s got '39 transmissions with Lincoln gears because it was the cool thing to do. Many were done in high school auto shop. It was also cool to get rid of the column shift tube. Stroker 02-15-2017 @ 7:36 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1460 Joined: Oct 2009 This tread has been particularly interesting to this old bird. I have been re-re-re-refurbishing my ancient Station Wagon that Dad purchased new in 1938. It's had a hard life on a working ranch for the first 30 years of its existence, and I know it's "history" intimately, having driven, maintained, and repaired it since the 50's. Over the years, it has had FIVE different engines, starting with the original 221 81A, a 239 59A, a 255 8CM, a "seriously modified"304 59A in the early 60's, and now has a .030" over-bored 59A that is "dressed" to look like an 81A. with the 38 aluminum intake, CG carb and "correct" fuel pump. It also received hydraulic brakes early in 1939, as Dad "wanted" them when he was pulling our stock trailer in the mountains. So.. Since I have no kids that are interested in this, and I'm pretty "long of tooth" myself; someone besides my family will own this old beast before too long. I still have the original Invoice from the Pomona, California Ford Dealer. I have Dad's cancelled check when he bought it. Except for having hydraulic brakes and the wrong engine block; the car "looks, acts, and sounds" original. Having "all that" documentation could easily fool a buyer into thinking it is an unmolested original car. What that buyer would not know is that this car was "totaled" in 1957 and resurrected by me over the course of about a year and a half using parts from 2 "donor" 38's including a frame, and all the sheet metal ahead of the firewall. So....how "original" is this car? Well, it has the "original wood, floorpan, seats dash, radio, steering wheel, transmission and cowling". NOTHING else is "original". It is "mostly" as original, and the buyer might claim that it is original, when he re-sells it. The seller might claim that it's had hydraulic brakes since new, that it "came-with" a 239 cubic-inch engine, and he "has the Original Invoice to back up its "heritage". I'm thinking about perhaps having the poor cars history engraved on a thick stainless-steel plate and tig-welding it to a prominently-visible frame location to prevent anyone from misrepresenting it's "history" Any thoughts fellow V8'ers ? This message was edited by Stroker on 2-15-17 @ 9:16 AM kubes40 02-15-2017 @ 6:47 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3396 Joined: Oct 2009 John, I realize Ford made some running changes on assembly lines when necessary. Obviously they would not have shut down an assembly line if they ran out of the specified cadmium plated bolts. No, they most likely would have installed raven finish bolts (example). It is of my humble opinion that we as restorers need a 'standard" by which to restore our cars. If we do not have that standard, the age old argument that Ford "could have" or "probably did" can and do get way too much leverage on the concourse. My book is based solely on what can be proven and will be presented as such. Now, getting back to changes on the assembly line... yes, no doubt they happened. However, not a floor shift placed in to a column shift car. The simple logistics of such a "swap" would be nothing less than a (costly) nightmare. MICHV8 02-15-2017 @ 4:49 AM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 428 Joined: Jul 2010 It's not the red one, is it? FLTHDCPE 02-14-2017 @ 10:27 PM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 24 Joined: Dec 2011 To "len47merc" and "kubes40" Thank You for the reply. I appreciate your input. I'm going to "put this to rest" and will see you some other time on here with another one of those stories.!! Thank You.! Steve JM 02-14-2017 @ 7:34 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 822 Joined: Oct 2009 While reading this thread, I thought back to my 38 years of working for a major global manufacturing company, in both engineering and manufacturing positions, and I can tell you that varitions to our product line occasionally occurred on our assembly lines for various reasons. Some of these variations were not officially documented in any way, shape or form, but they did happen. Using this same logic/rationale, I can assure you they most definitely occurred at the Ford Motor Company as well, and someone could probably spend a lifetime going through engineering records and other offical documentation that would not reveal some of these variations or modifications. Now guess how I know for a fact this definitely happened at the company that I worked for...and more than once . John This message was edited by JM on 2-14-17 @ 7:41 PM

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