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Posted By Discussion Topic: 1940 Heater in a 39 Ford -- page: 1 2     TomO 11-28-2011 @ 8:31 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 7250 Joined: Oct 2009 Here is a photo showing the solid kick panel. The heater has been sold and is going in a 39 convertible. Tom This message was edited by TomO on 11-28-11 @ 8:33 AM TomO 11-28-2011 @ 8:28 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 7250 Joined: Oct 2009 IMHO it would be more likely that a 39 heater would show up in a 40 than a 40 heater in a 39. The dealers would try to get rid of the 39 heaters before ordering 40 heaters. I would think that a judge would know the difference between a 39 and 40 heater. The left door on a 39 heater is restricted from opening all of the way, so it will not interfere with the shift lever. To put the 39 knobs on a 40 heater, you will have to fill the original holes and drill new ones to fit the 39 knobs. You could also weld a piece of sheet metal to the case so the door would only open part way and build a new kick protector. Here is a photo of the heater with the doors open. Tom This message was edited by TomO on 11-28-11 @ 8:36 AM supereal 11-27-2011 @ 2:02 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 6819 Joined: Oct 2009 Distinctions between model years at Ford were often blurred by the practice of using parts on hand until they were gone. This can make determination of the exact "correct" components if your vehicle was one of those produced during the transition between years problematic. Old Henry was so tight "he squeaked when he walked", and despised waste of any kind. I once owned a Model A that had dissimilar rear quarter panels that probably was a result of using up parts. kubes40 11-27-2011 @ 6:33 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3394 Joined: Oct 2009 Benny also had Ford script water pumps in many of his '40 Fords and insisted they were that way from the factory. Enough said? kubes40 11-27-2011 @ 6:32 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3394 Joined: Oct 2009 I agree with Alan that painting to '39 specs and changing out the handles will go far to make your 40 heater appear as a 39. Kenneth M. 11-27-2011 @ 5:09 AM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 86 Joined: Oct 2009 Maybe someone will have a 39 heater and want a 40 heater to trade? Kenneth M. Stewart alanwoodieman 11-26-2011 @ 7:15 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 868 Joined: Oct 2009 a few years back noted 40 Ford collector Benny Bootle had a 8,000 mile 40 tudor with a dealer installed 41 heater. The installation looked like it was done in 1940-aged the same as the rest of the car. I have a piece of paper work from the heater maker (Eaton, I think)showing how to put 41 heater into 40 Fords and Mercury's, but as stated it would be without a doubt better to have the known correct heater than one that is doubtful. That said, there was very little difference in the heaters-same except for a door stop for 39 floorshift- Paint the 40 heater the correct 39 color, install 39 door pulls and no one would be the wiser!! ford38v8 11-26-2011 @ 3:57 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 2758 Joined: Oct 2009 Ken, While the club's books are as good as it gets as far as what has been published, the Judging Standards Committee reserves the last word in authenticity to themselves. This is due to the ongoing research and new information that even today continues to surface, so, with that caveat, you may generally rely on what you read in the book, to the extent of how clearly stated the reference was. I'm sorry to be so vague in my response, but if it were me, I would probably want to play it safe with the '39 heater rather than to push the envelope with the '40 heater, even though the book says it may have happened that way. Now that I may have discouraged you, i'll try to make it right with my view as a Judge. It would be my personal view that as it seems there is a possibility of a '40 heater in a '39, I would not make a deduction, giving it the benefit of the doubt, as I expect most Judges would do the same. Do not consider this carte blanche, as it is ultimately the owner's responsibility to provide documentation for any discrepancies found on the Concourse. Should you show your car with this heater and draw a deduction, I would encourage you to challenge if only to clarify the JSC position in this gray area of Ford knowledge. Alan kubes40 11-26-2011 @ 3:43 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3394 Joined: Oct 2009 Here's a photo of a proper '40 heater. It's in black and white and depicts all the parts in a heater kit, 1940. The body was a light shade of gray with three red stripes. kubes40 11-26-2011 @ 3:40 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 3394 Joined: Oct 2009 1939 & 1940 hot water heaters are the same dimensionally. In fact nearly all the parts are readily interchangeable. The very subtle differences are the toe guard which on a '39 is solid while a '40 was vented. The colors are obviously different as are the knobs between the two years. The heater switch knob is also quite different as are the defroster nozzles. The switches are mounted in very different places, '39 vs. '40. On the concourse you would be expected to have a '39 heater in your '39 and a '40 heater in your '40. Attached is a photo of a proper 39 heater. This message was edited by kubes40 on 11-26-11 @ 3:45 PM

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