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Stroker

12-03-2011 @ 8:59 AM

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Rusty:

Thank You! Maybe someday someone will solve my "mystery".

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12-02-2011 @ 7:03 PM

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What I have are Engineering Releases for "Brown Landau Grain deck material 66" wide". This is M-2600-G which is a materials designation and correlates to the body book. I have these for 1940,1941,1945 which would cover the 1946 cars. There are no other Engineering Releases for any other top material with any different color. At the time, I wasn't looking for earlier stuff so for instance the first release copy I have is dated 8-1-1939 and would be for the 1940 model year. I'm confident if someone wanted to look they could find the releases back to the early 1930's.

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12-02-2011 @ 4:01 PM

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Here's a photo of the subject "home-brew" top.

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Rusty:

Do you by chance have any Benson Ford data on 38 top colors? The reason I ask is that
I have a Kodachrome of my 38 when it was new, and the color appears to be a dark brownish/green. Some years ago, I removed the multiple tops that had been installed over the original on another Desert Sand West Coast 38, and found some of that material under the drip rails, (where it still had the original tacks securing it). The color is just as portrayed in the 1938 photo.

I'm not questioning your assertion, but I am certain that at least in 38, there were some colors other than brown, at least on the West Coast on Desert Sand wagons.

I should add that in the aforementioned "excavation" of previous tops, only the original was this odd,
shade. All the subsequent replacements were simply brown. Replacement tops must have only been available in brown. So why so many tops? My car spent its first 40 years in the Southwest, and the sun exposure was brutal to the top material. After 3 top replacements, my dad painted the last one with aluminum paint to try and reduce the UV damage. Why more than one layer of top? It was customary to use the old top as "padding" under the new top, and it actually improved the looks by softening the shape a bit over the wooden framework. The first top was removed entirely, to repair water damage to the front corner of the right hand roof beam.

The tops were pretty fragile, as are most Ford closed-car top inserts. I suspect that Ford never intended
for these cars to last forever. In the late 50's, I installed a new top (over all the old ones)using high quality canvas duck, which I first shrank with water, and then 10 coats of aircraft butyrate dope. This top, now painted to match the original top sample, still resides on my wagon. It is not original, and would cost lots-o-points in judging, but at least it's the "right" color.

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12-01-2011 @ 6:28 PM

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Just checking because I have Benson Ford Research Center documents that specify brown material on station wagon tops. Couldn't find anything that supports the rainbow of colors that "matching body color" would require and it is hard to believe that the factory was into dying tops to match the body color.

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long grain copra--copra being the color which is a light to medium tan color, I have in my files, which I will look up, a paint code to duplicate this color , yes Kube, it is not BLACK as I have been told it was. When I purchased my top fabric from LeBaron/Bonney, Lee Atherton told me that that was the last 13 feet he could ever get, that the plant in England would no longer produce it

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12-01-2011 @ 6:05 AM

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Brown.
Some guys will tell you black was available but they won't (I am betting heavily)be able to provide proof. Something necessary to stand the judges scrutiny.

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11-30-2011 @ 7:47 PM

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Alan,
What color is your original top material?

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11-06-2011 @ 5:53 AM

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as stated in an answer above
#1-top materiel--I have some original samples off a 40 wagon-long grain copra
#2-winterleaf brown
#3-black

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11-06-2011 @ 4:50 AM

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just found this thread.. and am excited that there might be more "woodie" information in an upcoming edition? of the 40 ford book.

1. as for tailgate spring covers, I have seen 40's with covers done in material matching the interior (seating) is this incorrect?

2. On the interior metal brackets (cast and stamped interior brackets) should these be tan to match the tailgate hinge, or are they body color? or black? I have seen some of each..

3. the taillight bracket.. I have had some that were painted tan (similar to the tailgate hinge, and some that were black) was the taillight bracket painted body color?

hopefully someone here can provide feedback..

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