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10-27-2022 @ 7:05 PM

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I am attaching photos of an original unrestored 1941 Ford hot water heater. The heater was installed in a 41 Ford PU and is part number 11T-18455. The photos show the difference in the color of the doors and the cabinet also placement and spacing of the original pin striping.

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03-31-2022 @ 4:20 AM

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Alan,

You've forgotten that 'always' and 'never' are two of the most dangerous words in the English language. The so-called green bible is a valuable reference for service parts (not necessarily production parts) for vehicles whose model years are within a couple years of its 1946-48 publications. With each model year further back it becomes less and less useful as fewer parts are serviced and more and more of those still serviced are not the same as those used in production. For pre-WWII model years it is a grossly inferior reference source compared to the individual parts catalogs for each model year.

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03-30-2022 @ 3:30 PM

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Perhaps this will show why care needs to be used when using the "green bible". The front parts are the original radiator brackets for my 1942 Ford. The rear parts are what Ford replaced them with in 1946. After using the illustration on page 349 (p-426) I obtained the base P/N for the side brackets. On page 598 it shows the P/N as being 51A-16141-b for the years 1942-8. On page 594 the " U channel)shows as 51A -16138 for 1942-1948. Can the replacement brackets fit my 42. Yes if you eliminate the triangular gussets and switch to the replacement U channel. Again both with 1946 part numbers. Sounds like a bunch of work to make the car incorrect if it was ever judged.

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03-30-2022 @ 5:09 AM

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Alan, I'm not referring to any of the information in the "green bible" as being a typo. What it does provide is the service part number in 1950.In some cases that number changed several times. I also have an O.S.I. book which gives the history or supersession of those part numbers. As an example the voltage regulator changed part numbers 4 times. The final part number was a B5A prefix and went from 30 amps to 35amps. Will it work and function on a car, yes. Is it correct for a restoration, no. I just retired from working in Ford dealerships the past 30 years and the parts system is fairly similar today. I too use the "green bible " often. Another example was I needed the silencer on the intake manifold. The green bible showed it with a 7RA prefix. I was able to take that number back to the original number(11A prefix) and find NOS part.

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03-29-2022 @ 7:39 PM

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Reading the green bible and understanding the green bible can be two different things. There are, to be sure, typos in that publication, as would be expected in such a comprehensive reference book, but on the whole, it’s reputation as being other than a reliable source of information is unwarranted, whereas in reality, the reader has misunderstood the wealth of information provided.

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03-29-2022 @ 6:15 PM

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Here's a photo of the heater control which I believe is the 11A one.
The 51A prefix indicates 1946 in my experience. Already been burned
by the "green bible" on parts for my 1942 deluxe coupe. I needed the
radiator brackets which the "green bible" indicated where a 51A prefix
part number. The 51A p/n was a service replacement and requires the
46-8 U channel also. I'm always open for correction.

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03-29-2022 @ 6:06 PM

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Articles on hot air heaters in the Early V-8 Times: Nov/Dec 2018 page 22 Hot Air Heaters 1934-42 and two Bob Lincoln articles on 1935 heaters in issues Nov/Dec 2019 and Jan/Feb 2020. I assume 1936 heaters were very similar to the 1935 offerings, but should check the 1935/36 book published by the club to be certain.

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03-29-2022 @ 6:04 PM

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Here's a photo of the heater I bought from Mort Burton a number of years ago at Hershey.
Notice the pull knob on the upper left. The 41 heaters had red stripes on the sides if they
are original paint? Maybe Fred Killian can comment.

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03-29-2022 @ 5:23 PM

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Thanks guys. I guess I was close but "no cigar".

I'm obliged to you all.

Mike "Kube" Kubarth

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03-29-2022 @ 4:03 PM

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1942 Deluxe, I was using the photo in the 1941 - 48 Ford Book page 3-7 chapter 3 (Interiors) showing the dash of a 42 Ford that included the heater and the heater switch bracket. You will see the heater switch bracket has room for the switch and defrost cable. I have attached a photo of a 41 Ford switch bracket and what I thought was a 42 - 48 Ford switch bracket. If wrong let me know. Thanks Dave

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