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supereal

02-11-2012 @ 8:31 PM

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I know the feeling, Barry. As I approach 80, I think I need an overhaul, too. Here, in Iowa, we had a major Ford authorized rebuilder. I guess that I should say "remanufacturer", which is more accurate. The is a world of difference between repair, rebuilding, and remanufacturing. In the latter case, the engine was stripped to the bare block and put thru the same process as the original. As you note, complete engines are available from dealers today, but at a cost that may not be justified for an older vehicle. At our shop, most new engines are insurance jobs, and the rest are from salvage yards to contain the price. Unless the engine has been badly neglected, the common cause of replacement is a broken timing belt which destroys the valves and pistons. We had two of those already this month. If anyone has one of these "interference"engines, we recommend a new belt by 50,000 miles.

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02-11-2012 @ 1:21 PM

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Yes, they sure did. When I came onto the Ford parts scene in the early 70's, you could still get a long block flatty. Around 1975, they were gone from the rebuilders catalog. There was about 4 or 5 major authorized rebuilders in the USA. We had RPM out of Fitchburg. Mass as our supplier. Rite way in New Jersey. Now merged with RMP. I believe Fred Jones was a supplier. He does most of the automatic trannys for the suppliers now.
Now when you need small parts such as starters, PS pumps, you get them thru your Motorcraft warehouse. The engines and trannys are all the rebuilders supply now. Some of the Motorcraft warehouses even carry the engines and trannys as they're dual part numbers. THe business has sure changed ! I'm disabled now, so no more parts for me. I miss the old days, but not what I just left behind.

Barry

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02-11-2012 @ 10:52 AM

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Barry: Ford did a huge business in rebuilt engines that were remanufactured by an "authorized" supplier. We used to install them in one day back in the 50's, and more often in trucks, than cars. They came as "long blocks" on pallets, and needed only the accessories to complete the job. The 100 hp engines were great motors, but they were worked to death in the one, one and a half, and two ton trucks in a relatively short time.

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02-11-2012 @ 9:53 AM

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Hey you fellas are all the best. thanks for sharing your knowledge and experiences. I've learned a bunch poking around here but still have a lot to learn. Hopefully the lessons aren't too expensive.

Bill

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02-11-2012 @ 8:22 AM

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THat seems odd to me as all the parts trucks ( 6 ) thatI've stripped had the wood under steel. One still had most of the steel floor but has a few rot spots in it. The steel floor is very thin and couldn't support much weight if that were true.
The correct or original head was the 8BA head. If you check the 48-54 Ford truck parts & accessories catalog, it shows from 48-51 had 8BA heads, 52 and on had 8RT heads. They show the supercession right there from the 8BA to 8RT head. The O.S.I. catalog from that time also backs this up. There was a long discussion on this on FordBarn.com a while back.
More than likely, that engine was changed somewhere in it's life. If it's original, then I'd be real surprised! Ford did a landslide business in rebuilt engine back then, when 50,000 was the average life due to the metals, oil technology, etc....

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02-10-2012 @ 10:42 AM

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If there is a wood floor under the steel, it was special ordered that way. I worked for a Ford dealer in the 50's, and saw very few of these delivered from the factory, due to the extra cost. One drawback with the all steel floor was that they were very slippery when wet, or covered with certain loads. You can see them on page 325 of the C&G catalog. They became available when the flat sided boxes arrived.

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02-10-2012 @ 1:05 AM

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The '48-'50 model F-1 had a steel bed floor with wood under the steel floor. Another difference between the 8BA and the 8RT is the oil pan.

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02-09-2012 @ 5:53 PM

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I have a very original '48 F-1 (35K miles). It has a metal bed. The steel floor is stamped to mimic the strips between the wooden slats. The slats are also there underneath and I believe are also original. I believe the steel bed bottom is original. This is not just a piece of steel cut to fit - it's clearly an intended part of the truck.

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02-09-2012 @ 2:35 PM

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The correct engine would be an 8RT, which is the same as the 8BA, except for the motor mounts. If it has the narrow belts, it would be a later year than the truck. The truck, like all of that era, would have had a wooden bed floor. It was usual to replace the pickup floor with a steel plate because the wood rotted away, and/or heavy loads were carried. My late father-in-law had an F-2 which was used to haul cream cans. It didn't take long for the need to have a steel floor became apparent. Any old truck that isn't full of rust holes is a good candidate for some restoration.

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02-09-2012 @ 2:06 PM

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Going to try and drive an 50 model effie i looked at the other day. It had a metal bed which kind of threw me. it had a couple of funny spots. the floor pans were original I think and no rust thru, but not as thick as i'd have imagined. cab corners were good, maybe redone. Last owner had it 26 years. in fact from underneath the seams in the corners might not have ever been painted.
a littl bubbling of rust on the passenger door towards the front. fenders and bed looked great but some surface rust underneath of them. bed sides and front were pretty straight. The flathead touched off in about a half a second and seemed to be idling a little fast. There were some leaks around the carb, seemed like fuel seepage so maybe its sucking air and running lean? didn't get a look underneath everything because I had to get back to the office and it was kind of muddy. I was distracted because this fellow had lots of old cars, most needing restoration to varying degrees. I was really distracted by a 66 ranchero with a sweet running little 289. Forgot I was there to look at the effie. So i get to make that run again out to little elm on saturday. The dream is still alive.

Bill

oh yeah, this is an 8ba. is that correct for 1950 f1?
something I'd read had me expecting a 0ba

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