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Posted By Discussion Topic: Inside of fenders and body color?     FRITZ47 03-28-2013 @ 6:24 PM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 56 Joined: Oct 2010 We have the fenders, hood, doors and deck lid removed, sanded and primed, and ready to paint next week. Question: were the insides of the fenders of a 1940 Ford Deluxe Convertible painted black or body color? Also there were two or three colors of maroon for this car in 1940. Does anyone have the name of these shades of maroon. Thanks for the help - trying to keep the car 100% original and above is critical. After picture taken below, car was primed with a primer tinted towards maroon. But we need to know our choices of maroon for the 1940, as am getting conflcting information. Fritz supereal 03-29-2013 @ 11:36 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 6819 Joined: Oct 2009 The maroon color used from 1940 thru 1948 is called "Mandarin/Monsoone Maroon", and was the Ford color 50035. There were five maroons used by Ford, but the above was the only one for 1940, according to my PPG book. It is the darkest of that shade, and looks almost black in the color chip chart. The PPG formula per quart, in parts, is DMA: 342=20.1, 358=34.2, 354=342.0, 360=593.5 I don't know if this can be translated into modern paint because of changes in type and formulation now used. The book is still available from C&G as Item V-25, covering 37-48. $40. 800/266-0470. The chips are large, and a good paint shop may be able to scan it to match. The underside of the hood and fenders were painted body color at the factory. FRITZ47 03-29-2013 @ 4:12 PM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 56 Joined: Oct 2010 Thanks Supereal, While waiting for some response, I did some additional research, and according to this research, there was one other color used in 1940, as shown in my Ditzler Chart. This color was a "spring" color and not available on early models. It is called Garnet Maroon - lighter than the Mandarin Maroon. Check this link and arrow down to a beautiful 1940 Ford Convertible Dearborn winner in Garnet Maroon. This is our choice of color and the paint will be applied next week. Once completed i will post some pictures (too bad only one picture can be posted at a time, unless I am missing something). http://classicfordgarage.com/aboutus.html Fritz This message was edited by FRITZ47 on 3-29-13 @ 4:17 PM Stroker 03-29-2013 @ 5:37 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 1460 Joined: Oct 2009 Fritz: Ford used a "dipping" process to paint fenders. The result is that the insides got coated body color. As to color, I'd check with Jimmy "Chips" Wells, who can mix accurate repops using contemporary components. I was able to come up with a very good match for my "Spring" color by sending an unexposed sample to a supplier who was able to scan it. supereal 03-29-2013 @ 5:46 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 6819 Joined: Oct 2009 I agree, Fritz, that Ford did use Seasonal variations from time to time. The challenge for judging would be to have in hand an authentic documentation that such a color was used within the period shown by the serial number of the car. I am not a judge, nor do I show my cars, so before I applied an exception color, I'd want to consult the judging contingent on their opinion, just to be sure. As to posting multiple photos here, it isn't possible, as far as I know. When I have an occasion to do it, I arrange to use email after getting an address via the private message feature of the Forum. This message was edited by supereal on 3-29-13 @ 5:49 PM FRITZ47 03-29-2013 @ 9:20 PM reply profile send p.m. Member Posts: 56 Joined: Oct 2010 We have a car collection and close to 40 cars on display in Canfield, Ohio and have many flathead V8 Fords. We have a small restoration shop for improving and maintaining our cars. While our goal is to keep most of our cars "as original" we seldom have cars judged at national competition. We do a lot of research so as not to screw up the originality of the cars, but we will compromise from time to time to save costs and time. An exception would be if we do a body-off restoration. In that case we would have the car judged nationally and tend to each critical item. Since it takes about a year for such a project, we do only one of these every 2 or 3 years. This 1940 Ford is (and always was) rust free and mostly original, but was a driver. We bought it from the deceased owner's widow and are very happy with the car. At first we were going to just straighten two small dents in the right fenders and do some touchup and buffing, as well as new floor mats and carpet. As has happened so many times in the past, we were unable to match the paint, so decided to remove some of the chrome and mask off the rest and give it a "quick paint job". When we got deeper and deeper into the project we found we had a very solid car (not even one spot of rust or repaired rust). One thing led to another and we soon removed the hood, grille, front and rear fenders, doors and deck lid and all the chrome. I ordered a new front Benton Gray rubber floor mat from Carpenter and I will be replacing the rear carpet (I have the equipment and knowledge and do my own carpet and upholstery work). Chrome was perfect except the headlight doors (ordered a pair from Drake). We then bought new wiring harnesses and replaced all the wiring. It is turning into a major project, but not at all like some in the past. The car was pretty much original when purchased - had a Columbia rear end, which we will be keeping. It also has a Mallory coil and ignition, which we will retain, as car starts immediately and runs perfectly. Engine color was blue and we sprayed it the original green. We also did a great job on the firewall (not removing the engine) to save time. Car has dual exhausts (not loud) which will stay. In summary this car will look as good as new, but if closely examined by a knowledgeable early Ford judge it would admittedly have a few issues. We do not sell our cars, but if this car would ever be sold, it will be 90-95% original and if someone wanted to change the ignition and go back to a single exhaust, it could be done at minimal expense. Somone mentioned that the carburetor was not correct, but as it runs so well, we will not be changing this. Everything else (appearance inside and outside will be exactly as original). Color will be Garnet Maroon. Attached is a picture of our facility. Our car museum buildings are the second and third buildings in left foreground, both are just to the left of our driveway entrance. Our car museums are open every Saturday from 10 AM to 3 PM (Free Admission), so if anyone is ever in NE Ohio, be sure to stop in to see us. See www.tipcars.us for directions and many pictures of our cars. Click on "New Additions" and arrow down - lots of neat stuff. I am the original founder of Tip Tools, TP Tools and Skat Blast (mfg. of sandblasting cabinets and HVLP paint spray systems).I am retired, but still come to work to help our son run a very busy business, although am usually working on our cars (or watching). Thanks to everyone who has been so helpful with many answers and assistance. This help is greatly appreciated and in most cases followed to the letter. Fritz This message was edited by FRITZ47 on 3-29-13 @ 9:30 PM

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