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chrismac

10-16-2010 @ 10:25 AM

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I am doing an accurate restoration of a 1940 Ford station wagon and need some advice on details of the starter and generator. Is the aluminum end plate on the generator painted gloss black or left bare metal? How about the through-bolts; bare metal or gloss black? Should the bolts use flat washers or lock washers? Are the washers cad plated or black oxide?
Are the starter aluminum end plates both painted gloss black? How about the hardware that secures the cover band; is a hex headed bolt used or a sloted machine screw? Cad or bare metal? Lockwasher?
Many Thanks!
Chris

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10-17-2010 @ 5:45 AM

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Hi Chris, Wow! Lots of questions this time! Happy to help! Here ya go! Fordially, Mike "Kube" Kubarth

The starter was painted gloss black as an assembly. Thus the cover band, part number 18-10142A, cover band screw, part number 27169-S4, and the nut, part number 34141-S2, were all gloss black. The face of the front plate and the starter drive were “hidden” on a dedicated assembly line, so they remained in their natural (raw) finish. The copper terminal post, along with its 33923-S hex nut and 34846-S lock washer, was masked. As a result they did not get painted.
The body of the starter was cast iron while both end plates were aluminum. Two through bolts, part number 18-11091, and two lock washers, part number 34906-S, held the starter assembly together. They also bolted the assembly to the oil pan. Since the bolt heads and washers were painted along with the starter, their finish was gloss black.
A gloss black bracket, part number 91A-11140B, was placed between the brush end plate and the upper through bolt. Subsequently, this bracket was bolted through the oil pan and to the engine block.
The rear end plate, part number 18-11130, was approximately 1" wide.

A two brush generator, part number 01A-10000- A, was installed as standard equipment on the 85, 95, and 60 H.P. engines from the beginning of 1940 Ford production until approximately the beginning of June, 1940. An almost-identical generator, part number 01A-10000- B, was placed into production in early June of 1940. Only the pulleys, described below, were different.
The overall lengths of both units were approximately 9". The entire generator, except for its two terminals, was painted as an assembly in gloss black.
“FIELD” was cast into the body of the generator slightly above and in front of the side terminal post. A 34079-S7 nut and a 34803-S8 lock washer held the field wire (black with yellow tracer) to this 10-32 terminal post.
At the rear plate a 34081-S7 nut and a 34805-S8 lock washer held the armature wire (yellow with black tracer) to the 1/4-28 terminal post.
The cast iron front plate had part number 01A-10139 cast into it.
Each of the two pulleys was made from cast iron and threaded onto the armature shaft. A flat metal ring fit into a groove at the end of the armature shaft to hold the pulley in place.
The first design of the pulley had a diameter of 3 11/16". Part number 01A-10130 was cast into it. This pulley was part of generator 01A-10000A.
The second design of the pulley had a diameter of 3 3/16". Part number 01A-10130B was cast upon it. This pulley was part of generator 01A-10000B and was placed into production at the beginning of June, 1940.
A 352740-S7 stud threaded into the valve chamber cover. Holding the generator securely to this stud were a 33848-S7 hex nut, a 34830-S lock washer, and a 34760-S7 flat washer.

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chrismac

10-17-2010 @ 1:07 PM

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You must be a judge! I really appreciate the level of detail. I'd like you to see my station wagon when I'm done. Where are you located?

Appreciatively,
Chris

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10-17-2010 @ 3:46 PM

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Hey Chris - you're funny! I've been called a lot worse than 'judge'.
Yes, I have judged numerous times. I've also restored a number of '39 & '40 Fords.
The '40 book project I am currently authoring will be as detailed as this reply about generators / starters whenever possible. I am glad you are appreciative. That makes the efforts worthwhile. Thank you!
I am in SE Wisconsin, very near (about 5 miles) the Illinois border.
If I am ever able to help, simply ask. I'll do what I am able.
Best regards,
Mike

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