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Posted By Discussion Topic: Rear axle swap from '40 Passenger to '40 1/2 ton -- page: 1 2     Carcheologist 06-15-2022 @ 6:58 AM reply profile send p.m. New Member Posts: 132 Joined: Jan 2016 Alan, Yes, I am familiar with Hollander and have one for cars in the '50's & '60's. I also found I had a '46 Ford & Mercury chassis parts catalog that DID show the specific drive shaft with pinion and matching ring gear that TomO referred to in his post above. As he pointed out, the Green Ford catalog didn't specifically point to the Mercury drive shaft. This exercise is certainly giving me a good education into the nuances of using the Ford parts catalogs. Thanks for your perspective. ford38v8 06-13-2022 @ 10:04 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 2764 Joined: Oct 2009 Carcheologist, if you know what a Hollander Interchange book is used for, then you will have a good idea what the Green Bible is all about. For cars that need replacement parts in which the original parts have been obsoleted, in many cases, there are newer versions of those parts that will interchange, and in fact are the Ford approved replacement for the original. These replacements will usually carry the same part numbers as the originals, but with a newer prefix or suffix number or letter. In the case of ring/pinion pairs, the book will show which banjo's will accept them without modification. You've likely heard that to determine the correct part for a given model/year, look in the parts catalogue that was printed as close to the model year you are working on? That's why the Green Bible is not the reference book to end all reference books, but rather, more like a Hollander than you ever wanted to see. Alan Carcheologist 06-13-2022 @ 6:45 PM reply profile send p.m. New Member Posts: 132 Joined: Jan 2016 Kube, I'm very interested in getting more of an education on this topic, and hope you could shed some light on something for me. You mentioned above that the 3.54 ratio was NOT offered for the '40 Ford. I noticed in the Green FORD parts book there is a listing for a 3.54 ratio ring & pinion (48 4209-E) and states that it fits '38-'48 Passenger & '38-'41 Commercial vehicles. Taking your statement into account, how should we laymen interpret that? Given the fact that there is a listing for the part in the catalog, was it available perhaps as a replacement part if someone wanted to have it installed it in their '40 Ford instead of what came in it? Was it possible to special order a '40 Ford passenger car with that ratio? Is it listed there for some other reason? I would really appreciate your thoughts as to why it is there. Don't mean to split hairs, but I find these details fascinating and educational. Maybe it's a sickness! Thanks for your feedback! Carcheologist 06-13-2022 @ 2:15 PM reply profile send p.m. New Member Posts: 132 Joined: Jan 2016 Thanks Tom, I really appreciate your helpful info. This exercise has shown me that the parts books only help so much. Beyond that, we have to rely on the experience and expertise of knowledgeable folks in our hobby like you. You've been most helpful! I will recommend to my buddy that he remove the torque tube just to satisfy our curiosity. TomO 06-13-2022 @ 7:07 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 7256 Joined: Oct 2009 The Green Book shows the FORD chassis parts and does not list Mercury only parts. After WWII Ford created the Lincoln - Mercury Division and the last catalog to carry both Ford and Mercury parts was the 1946 Chassis Parts catalog. This lasted until sometime after 1953 when they combined the catalogs again. As I said in my previous post, MOST 39-40 Mercury drive shafts have the pinion gear pressed on the drive shaft. I have never seen one that wasn't, but some people have claimed they have seen them with the splined drive shaft. With Ford manufactured parts, I never say ALWAYS or NEVER, because someone out there has an exception. The 39-48 Mercury parts catalog lists the gear set as "99A-4209A Ring gear and drive shaft with pinion, matched set 3.54 to one ratio." My identification of the rear end is just a guess. There may be other drive shafts other than 39-40 Mercury ones that are longer than the stock Ford, I just don't know of any. Pulling the torque tube is not a big job, so you could do that and verify if it is a Mercury rear end. Tom Carcheologist 06-12-2022 @ 12:57 PM reply profile send p.m. New Member Posts: 132 Joined: Jan 2016 TomO, Not doubting your information here, but just want to make certain about this rear axle before we decide to forget this whole swap idea. I've been looking in the big Green Bible (28-48 Ford parts book) and I can't seem to find any reference to a drive shaft or pinion gear that identifies use specifically for Mercury or a vehicle with 116" wheel base, which is Mercury. It lists the following drive shaft and it's the only thing close that I could find : 68 4605-B Shaft (drive)-solid-use with axle having 6 spline pinion Pass, Comm 37-41 Were ALL Mercury driveshafts one piece with a pressed-on pinion gear? Is there even a remote possibility that it just might have a splined collar like Ford used? We would have to remove the torque tube to verify. Again, not casting doubt on your information, but just would like to confirm, if nothing else but to expand my own education! If you have any further corroboration it would surely be appreciated. ford38v8 06-11-2022 @ 7:16 PM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 2764 Joined: Oct 2009 I agree with TomO, with a guess that it's a Mercury. Your dead in the water if there is no coupling there there. Bottom line applies to all Swapmeet finds, and many vendor offerings: Know what you are looking at by your own research, don't put your faith in what you're told by any seller ...And if you think about it, that's a good plan for all sorts of transactions. Alan Carcheologist 06-11-2022 @ 9:41 AM reply profile send p.m. New Member Posts: 132 Joined: Jan 2016 Tom, Thanks for your comment. I sure didn't know that about the Mercury having a pressed-on pinion gear. Looks like we may have hit a brick wall on this swap. TomO 06-11-2022 @ 8:05 AM reply profile send p.m. Senior Posts: 7256 Joined: Oct 2009 My guess, without seeing photos, is that your friend has a 39-40 Mercury rear end. If this is the case, he probably will not be able to switch drive shafts. Most Merurys had the pinion gear pressed on the drive shaft, while Ford used a coupling to mate the drive shaft with the pinion gear. Tom Carcheologist 06-11-2022 @ 6:25 AM reply profile send p.m. New Member Posts: 132 Joined: Jan 2016 Kube, Oops, forgot to respond to your other questions. No, we haven't removed any of the axle housings or torque tube from the donor unit as yet. I think you're correct about being a later axle assembly since the torque tube is 3" longer and the radius rods being a different length. Another thing that threw me was the fact that the brake backing plates have the 2 lower brake shoe adjustment bolts. I thought that ended with '40 passenger cars. Please advise.

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