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EFV-8 Club Forum / 1940 Ford Discussion / “40” H/W 40 hot water switch

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kubes40

04-05-2018 @ 5:30 PM

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How is a heater switch remotely related to safety?
Are you implying that anything that can't be seen easily should be overlooked?
If I see it and it is incorrect, there's a deduction. Period.
Seat belts and turn signals are allowed on the concourse per the rules of the club.

Just because a part is rare or expensive (usually the same part) does not mean a guy gets a "pass".

Mike "Kube" Kubarth

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04-05-2018 @ 4:35 PM

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Mike and Tom thanks for the details on this elusive part. On another important note, their were after market switches being produced for the 41-48 fords , besides the original ARK-LES one. On some of these aftermarket ones the knob will not pull out with the brass collar intact, so they will not work to make a recreation of the 39- 40 switch. If the car has the correct 39-40 chrome bezel and 39 or 40 correct reproduction knob, and the only way for a judge to see it's a recreation is by going under the dash then if points are to be deducted they should be minimal in my opinion because it's parsley a safety factor. Do you deduct for safety belts? They are way more noticeable than half of a switch that you have to go under the dash to see the incorrect half?

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On my '48 the heater and defrost knobs are clear with red lettering. I'm sure they are not original. Does anyone know what years these were used?

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Tom, In my experience, an incorrect ANYTHING receives a point deduction.

Mike "Kube" Kubarth

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04-05-2018 @ 6:42 AM

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The 41-48 heater switches are not identical. The 41 and maybe the 42 have screw terminals and the knob is smaller than the 46-48 switch with the slip on terminals. The 41 is also a different color than the 46-48 switch.. I do not have any 41 heater switches left or I would take a photo. The only photo thta I have is too blurry to show the details.

The Judging Standards Committee makes the decisions on what should be a point deduction. IMHO because the heater is an accessory and not necessary to the operation of the car, an incorrect switch or knob should still require a point deduction.

Tom

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The switch on the right is a 39-40 Ford NOS hot water heater switch, with its original box. Above it is a 1940 reproduction knob along with a reproduction 39-40 hot water heater wire harness. The picture on the left shows an NOS 1941 thru 1948 hot water heater switch. Above it is a 1939 reproduction knob, along with 1941 thru 1948 reproduction hot water heater wire harness. Ford used the company ARK-LES made in USA to provide their switch’s. The 41 thru 48 Ark- Les switch was a big improvement over the 39-40 switch. They used one heavy resistor on the 41-48 switch, and they positioned it in the center of the switch, where it is very protected from being damaged. On the 39-40 switch they used two lighter duty resistors positioned at the outer edge's and they were more susceptible to damaged. Never run the switches on low, as this produces more resistance and will make the switch hot. Larry Caplin purchased the molds to reproduce the 1940 hot water heater knobs from Tom Cherry Jr. and then, Larry went on to have the 1939 knob molds made and" was" also re-producing the 1939 knob. At the moment he has about a dozen 1939 re-production knobs left to sell, and no more 1940 re-production knobs. Since he has to make a run of about 350 knobs each run, he will not be re-producing any more .I hope Bob Drake buys the molds and keeps it going. Larry can still supply you with either the 39-40 or the 41 -48 reproduction wiring harness. If you have a good genuine 1941- thru 1948 Ark-Les switch , you can easily pull the knob together with the brass collar straight off of it, and replace it with a 1939 or 1940 reproduction knob if you are also lucky enough to have a good correct 39-40 chrome bezel, just use the 1941- 1948 slide on terminal wire harness you are good to go. No one will know unless they crawl up under your dash. As time goes on and these correct electrical switches become impossible to find I believe the judges should be more lenient on this part, as no one wants to burn their car down.

Domenic

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