| 1937sedandelivery | -- 02-21-2015 @ 5:18 PM |
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Hello, Am looking for some options for headers on a SBC 350 engine in my 1937 Sedan Delivery. The engine has been stroked to 383 and is a crate motor rated at 420HP. Not looking to burn up the streets, rather for cruising. The front end has been converted to Mustang II IFS. My main concern is about clearance for the frame members, steering, etc. I expect that the inner fender panels will have to be modified. Thanks for any and all help. Gregg
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| shogun1940 | -- 02-21-2015 @ 5:20 PM |
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what about the headers that go in very close to the block????
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| 3w2 | -- 02-21-2015 @ 5:51 PM |
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I could have sworn that this was a early Ford V-8 forum and not one having anything to do with SBCs.
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| 1937sedandelivery | -- 02-21-2015 @ 7:21 PM |
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Yeah, I think they are called huggers of some sort. This might be the best (safest) way to go. It does complicate spark plug access sometimes. Shorter plugs may be required. Thanks for the suggestion. Gregg
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| 1937sedandelivery | -- 02-21-2015 @ 7:22 PM |
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ok, I will review some of that history. Thanks, Gregg
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| CharlieStephens | -- 02-21-2015 @ 7:31 PM |
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You might get a better answer (and a more friendly reception) on HAMB, http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/ Charlie Stephens This message was edited by CharlieStephens on 2-21-15 @ 7:35 PM
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| 1937sedandelivery | -- 02-22-2015 @ 7:21 AM |
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Thanks Charlie, I will try that forum. Gregg
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| 42oink | -- 03-03-2015 @ 8:38 AM |
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Gregg, Welcome to the V8 club, if your new, and hope you'll join if not. Your sedan delivery sounds nice and sounds to me like it fits the "Ford V8 rule"! Headers: Sanderson makes very good ones, yes block huggers #CC1T, that fit in tight and depending on steering choice should pose no problems. Since inner fenders are outside the frame, no big problem there either. Keep in touch and how about a photo. Ron.
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| woodiewagon46 | -- 03-03-2015 @ 9:16 AM |
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Yes, give the Sanderson people a call and get their catalog, it has all the measurements you will need. Because you are using a Mustang front end you won't have steering box issues. "Block Huggers" might be the way to go. I don't think you will need to modify your inner panels, the "Block Huggers" are tight to the center of the block, inside the frame.
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| 37 Coupe | -- 03-03-2015 @ 10:52 AM |
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. This message was edited by 37 Coupe on 3-8-15 @ 7:09 PM
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| 1937sedandelivery | -- 03-04-2015 @ 8:54 AM |
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Thank you very much for the positive and helpful reply. Sounds like Huggers are the way to go. I will contact Sanderson and let you know how it goes.
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| kubes40 | -- 03-04-2015 @ 9:50 AM |
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Deleted. This message was edited by kubes40 on 3-5-15 @ 6:04 AM
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| ford38v8 | -- 03-04-2015 @ 12:32 PM |
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Come on, Mike. You know as well as anyone that "On the Concourse" means specifically the cars eligible for the National Meet badge on whatever award they may win. The Display Class is not eligible for that badge, even if the Meet Sponsoring Club decides to present an award of some kind in that class. Alan
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| kubes40 | -- 03-04-2015 @ 4:28 PM |
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deleted This message was edited by kubes40 on 3-5-15 @ 6:05 AM
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| ford38v8 | -- 03-04-2015 @ 7:12 PM |
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No, I disagree with you. Display class cars are never mixed in with cars to be judged. I don't know where you ever got such an idea. Alan
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| kubes40 | -- 03-05-2015 @ 5:43 AM |
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deleted. I'm outta here... This message was edited by kubes40 on 3-5-15 @ 6:06 AM
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| woodiewagon46 | -- 03-06-2015 @ 8:56 AM |
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Guy's, he is a member of the V-8 Club and he was asking for help. It is a V-8 Ford and he can show his car at any V-8 Club meet in the "Display Only" section. What is the big deal in offering suggestions and helping a member.
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| Whifty | -- 03-06-2015 @ 12:38 PM |
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I didn't know this was a street rod site. Had I known that I could've saved myself 35 bucks a year and just went over to the HAMB for free. Huh, learn something new every day. I used to build pro stock & funny cars for a living, can we discuss that on here too?
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| 37 Coupe | -- 03-06-2015 @ 1:06 PM |
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. This message was edited by 37 Coupe on 3-8-15 @ 7:12 PM
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| woodiewagon46 | -- 03-06-2015 @ 2:23 PM |
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37 Coupe, of course I know what SBC means. I have one in my '46 "Woodie" that was given an award at the Gettysburg V-8 Meet, in the Display Class. The point I am trying to make is that his car would be welcome in any V-8 Club Meet in the Display Class. Why not be willing to help this gentleman? I'm sure you know that we can use as many members as possible to attend V-8 Club events. Every V-8 Club event I go to I see several cars with dual exhausts, dual carbs and aluminum aftermarket heads. If we weed out every car that is not "Concours" we won't have many participants.
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| Stroker | -- 03-06-2015 @ 4:59 PM |
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Folks: I grew up with Flathead Fords, we had ton's of them in our trucks, agricultural equipment, and personal vehicles. In 1955, Chevrolet introduced the 265-inch SBC. This motor in my opinion, was the new flathead. It was simple, cheap and got the attention of aftermarket suppliers like no other except the flathead. Many of my contemporary's stuffed these motors in our vintage Fords, as we recognized that this was the wave of the future. I doggedly stuck with the flathead, and my first SBC powered vehicle was a GMC Sprint in 1972. To doggedly chastise those who put performance ahead of nostalgia is missing a point. If I had possessed the money in 1956, my 5/16 x 14 flatmotor in my 32 would have been a SBC. I think that we should appreciate the elegant simplicity of the 32-53 Ford Flathead. We should also appreciate the simplicity of the SBC. It took Ford quite a while to move beyond the "Y Blocks", and develop the Windsor. Clearly, the SBC inherited the respect of the performance community. Do we simply take the position that any early Ford with a SBC is toxic? I would hope not, as for me the early Ford experience goes much deeper than whether the car has a Brand "X" motor or a 9-inch Ford rear-end. The Ford experience embraces historic styling innovations such as Edsels contributions, John Tjaarda's contributions. Let's not devolve into a fractured organization that doesn't celebrate the many attributes that brought us together in the first place. Yes, I am a purest, and I have spent a lot of time sourcing things like the proper year Chandler-Groves carb and manifold for my 38. I appreciate Michael Kubarth's definitive answers to questions posed regarding 40 Fords. My 32 was a "Mutt", but I enjoyed it thoroughly. My 38 has been in my family since 1938. My hope is to make it as original as possible. As a Forum, we need everybody. We need the Kubes, AND the 37SBC types.
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| 37 Coupe | -- 03-06-2015 @ 5:16 PM |
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. This message was edited by 37 Coupe on 3-8-15 @ 7:10 PM
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| ford38v8 | -- 03-06-2015 @ 5:24 PM |
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I think there's a lot of misunderstanding going on here. Any member of the National Club is welcome to pay his Meet Registration and bring his Ford to a Meet. He is welcome to enter his car in whatever Class it is eligible for, which can be determined at the last minute if need be. Display Class can be any Ford product of the Era, with almost no restrictions on modifications. I've heard it requested that if it is powered by a non ford engine, that the hood should be left closed, but even that is not cut in stone. Owners are just asked to make them presentably clean. The Display Class is always separated a discreet distance from other vehicles on the Concourse, and any award given is by the sponsoring group, not the National Club. We like them all, but there is a distinction made on the Early Ford V8 Concourse, as is only right. The Concourse contains vehicles to be judged as to their correctness as originally manufactured. These Classes are comprised of fully restored cars, original but unrestored cars, and the mostly original cars that are driven, sometimes daily. The misunderstanding may be over what the majority of members bring, vehicles in the Touring Classes. They are not judged, but rather, are voted on by all participants at the Meet. These are the cars that are basically stock, but may not be fully restored and correct to be in a Concourse Judged Class. These are what some refer to as Drivers, and are gaining more and more respect among members as time goes on. Touring Classes are sometimes mixed in with Concourse Classes, at the option of the Meet Coordinators, and are eligible for a National Club Award. It's been said that a Club that tries to please everyone is doomed. On the contrary, I think that is where our strength lies, in our desire to make everyone welcome that loves the Ford products of the '32~53 Era, Alan
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| trjford8 | -- 03-08-2015 @ 11:36 AM |
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We are a small organization, but we are all "car guys" and we need to stick together. All of us need each other to make sure that adverse laws or groups opposed to old cars do not take away our hobby. Don't for a minute think it can't happen. When someone comes on here and asks a question we need to help where we can. The perception we exhibit to others is what can make or break our reputation. The person who comes here with a question about something that is non stock may decide to build a flathead car at some point because we helped give him some answers to a problem. In this case it would have been very easy to refer this person to the Sanderson Headers website or any other website that would help answer the question. Charlie referred him to the HAMB which also would have been of assistance to him. Bottom line is we need to be polite to people who ask questions, give information when we can, and also refer them to sites for more information. To belong to this club you don't even need to own a car, so if a man has a car(modified or stock) he has a "leg up" on participating. Do we turn away a member who shows up to an event in a modern car? Certainly not. Let's not get too serious here. It's only a club and we are all members of a great organization. Just for information a lot of the National Meets, such as Lake Tahoe, would not have happened if it weren't for the modified car guys(and ladies) volunteering their time and effort to make it happen. As I said we are all in this together and we need to help each other in any way we can and maintain our reputation and keep old Fords on the road.
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| TomO | -- 03-09-2015 @ 10:05 AM |
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Of all of the posts on whether we should allow somone to ask questions about his SBC, I like TRJFord8's reply the best. Here are my opinions on this discussion. You do not have to be a member of the V-8 Club in order to post here. Anyone seeking information should be treated with respect and courtesy. Help with answers to questions that you have some knowledge to give. V-8 Club rules should be discussed in a post asking about the rules and not in an answer to a legitimate question asking for other information. If you disagree with a rule, bring up the topic to your Regional Director as well as discussing it here Tom
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| 42merc | -- 03-09-2015 @ 2:08 PM |
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And WE WONDER WHY this club can't attract new members.
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| 37 Coupe | -- 03-09-2015 @ 2:13 PM |
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Or keep old members.
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| ford38v8 | -- 03-09-2015 @ 5:07 PM |
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What's with this thing about deleting what you've posted yesterday or last week? If someone changes their mind on a previous opinion, that's all well and good, but how about letting people know you have come to a different opinion and what it was that changed your mind? Not doing so just makes people think your post was somehow so shameful that you couldn't man up to making a proper retraction. Sorry for hijacking the thread, but I do think the subject is fitting for this thread. We've seen some heated discussions in the past, but it's all good here. What TJ and Stroker have said is correct, we are not an elitist club, and likewise, those that think we have abandoned our principles are also wrong. There's room for everyone and yes, we can all get along. Alan
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| 37 Coupe | -- 03-09-2015 @ 5:34 PM |
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I deleted what I said about giving the boot,the guy who put a Chevy engine in a Ford and was on the Early V8 Forum asking a question.The reason was it evidently upset people on this forum and was mentioned could cost the Early Ford V8 Club new membership.It was also made clear to me that this is just a forum which anyone can ask a question and I understand that and apologize.I don't want to be one of those people that the news has talked about lately making accusations or insulting people online. But I can still not believe that a Chevy powered Ford was given an award at a national V8 meet.That ideology is against what I believe in and what the founders organized the club for. Don't worry I will say no more. This message was edited by 37 Coupe on 3-9-15 @ 5:36 PM
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| TonyM | -- 03-09-2015 @ 5:43 PM |
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The club should still remain focused on what got us here to begin with: Ford V-8 Flathead powered automobiles and their preservation. One need look no further than the crisis that the Vintage Chevrolet Club of America found itself in last summer. The club board of directors was taken over by pro-modified member(s) and he/they began to change the rules, causing a mini revolt in the club. A huge petition drive put the modified chevy board member in check. So much so that he pretty much had to lay low at a national event. The members prevailed and preserved the original intent of their club. . . . 78-730B This message was edited by TonyM on 3-9-15 @ 5:50 PM
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| ford38v8 | -- 03-09-2015 @ 8:53 PM |
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37 Coupe, Thank you for your explanation and your reasoning behind the deletion. Thank you also for bringing up the subject of a Ford with a brand X engine winning a prize. I can't address the specific incident you refer to, but I can offer two possible explanations: One possible was that the award had been legitimately presented in the Display Class, administered by the local Sponsoring Club, and would not have had the National Meet Award Medallion attached thereto. The other possible explanation is that it may regrettably have been awarded by human error, in which case it would have been extremely divisive, causing a firestorm of protest had the award been rescinded, and indeed, may not have been possible under some circumstances. I cannot envision any other possible reason, and hope that I have hit on the correct answer for you. I hasten to add that it has been many years since I have been on the National Board, and that my views and opinions are my own. However, I do believe my interpretation of Club Bylaws and its Judging Standards to be correct, and have not changed with respect to this subject since my involvement in the National. Alan
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