| Mr_Corvair | -- 01-29-2015 @ 1:36 PM |
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I am rebuilding my heater for my 46 convertible. I would like to know what color it originally was. A paint code number would be really nice!!
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| trjford8 | -- 01-29-2015 @ 5:57 PM |
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Your heater should be a gray hammertone finish. Rustoleum makes a color in a spray can that is very close to the original.
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| Mr_Corvair | -- 01-29-2015 @ 6:45 PM |
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Thanks for your reply. Was this the only color used in 46 for super deluxe convertible? Somehow I had in mind a brownish tan color.
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| 42wagon | -- 01-30-2015 @ 3:26 AM |
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If you don't have one you should get a copy of the 41-48 Ford book. It explains in detail the various heaters that were available. What is important to understand is that the heaters were an accessory sold and installed by the dealers. Cars did not come from the Ford assembly plants with them installed. Therefore even though the heater for 46 had the gray hammertone finish it is possible that a dealer still had a 42 heater on the shelf that he wanted to sell. That heater had a brown finish.
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| len47merc | -- 01-30-2015 @ 5:48 AM |
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Under the then mantra of 'production at whatever cost' 42wagon's comment about a '42 brown being used on a '46 is a possibility, albeit I have never seen anything other than gray hammertone finish (consistent with trjford's comment) on any of the '46-'48s observed at shows, many of which were EFV8 award-winning cars. My '47's (Merc) interior is original and the heater's very slightly worn but original paint is gray hammertone. Mr_Corvair, can you find a spec of the original color on your heater or has it already been stripped by a prior owner? To open another question for you on your heater, can anyone advise whether the long horizontal door is supposed to be oriented at the top or the bottom of the heater? I have seen both at shows - the '41-'48 book illustrates bottom but I have seen top at shows, particularly on Mercurys (mine is top as well). If not restoring for judging may be a moot point, or if judging perhaps it was a random decision left up to the installer and not a specification (? - doubtful but perhaps). Just a consideration before Mr_Corvair (re)installs his in his '46. Steve This message was edited by len47merc on 1-30-15 @ 5:53 AM
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| Mr_Corvair | -- 01-30-2015 @ 5:56 AM |
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I have the 41-48 V8 book. I looked all thru chapter 3 for heater color information and didn't find anything. I guess I'll look again.
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| len47merc | -- 01-30-2015 @ 6:07 AM |
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Mr_Corvair - I could not find anything on heater color in the '41-'48 book either - only dash photos with heaters shown (pgs. 3-5, 3-7 & 3-9). Again, on all '46-'48s I've observed the heaters have all been gray hammertone regardless of interior color schemes. Steve This message was edited by len47merc on 1-30-15 @ 6:12 AM
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| TomO | -- 01-30-2015 @ 6:47 AM |
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Steve, I was under the impression that the 46 Heater cover could only go on one way, like the 41 heater cover. This would put the long door at the bottom. I have never seen the long door at the top, could you post a photo of yours? Tom
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| len47merc | -- 01-30-2015 @ 7:50 AM |
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Sure Tom - one here and a couple to follow. My '47 has speedo, radio and clock date codes of mid-to-late Dec, '46, and all window glass bugs' date codes are January of '47. (sorry about the pic rotation - it was vertical on my hard drive but attached rotated. I will correct and reattach under the 3rd pic) Steve This message was edited by len47merc on 1-30-15 @ 7:56 AM
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| len47merc | -- 01-30-2015 @ 7:54 AM |
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Pic 2 Steve
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| len47merc | -- 01-30-2015 @ 7:55 AM |
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And pic 3. Steve
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| len47merc | -- 01-30-2015 @ 7:57 AM |
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1st pic rotation corrected. Btw - this pic has an optical illusion in it - the clock and speedo are actually on the same plane but for some reason the pic suggests they are offset (received an e-mail asking the question). Steve This message was edited by len47merc on 1-30-15 @ 8:09 AM
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| woodiewagon46 | -- 01-30-2015 @ 10:49 AM |
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The heater in my '46 "Woodie" was grey "hammer tone" and the color is available in a rattle can.
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| len47merc | -- 01-30-2015 @ 12:00 PM |
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Apologies Mr_Corvair for briefly hijacking your thread though this is related. TomO - as always I greatly appreciate your perspective. What if anything do you glean from the pics provided of the heater in my '47 and are you aware if there is anything I/we all need to be aware of before having a car with this configuration submitted to judging (Rouge class for interior in my case)? Thanks - Steve
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| 42wagon | -- 01-30-2015 @ 12:52 PM |
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One last question before we leave this discussion. The pictures are not clear, where are the outlets for the defroster located? They should be on top and if that is the case the long horizontal door should be at the bottom. If you have a heater with the long horizontal door and the defroster outlets both on the top well we've all learned something new. Another thought, is it possible to reassemble a heater with the case upside down and the long door on the top?
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| len47merc | -- 01-30-2015 @ 2:19 PM |
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42wagon - the defroster outlet flange and tubes are visible on top of the heater in 'pic 3', pic entitled '20150130_102254.jpg'. On my monitor I have the brightness at 100% and the outlet flange and original black tubes leading from it to the defroster vents are clearly visible, again, at least on my monitor. I am hoping to learn something here as well. I know the original owner of this car and also know the interior to be original and untouched (see upholstery and other in the 'rotation corrected' pic). When bringing the car back to life after 35 years or so covered with a tarp in a windowless pole barn in northern Michigan I personally removed and replaced the original heater hoses the manufacturer installed, flushed the heater core of the decades of crud and while cleaning the firewall noted the original heater core threaded rods sticking through the firewall and nuts had never been touched/turned. Like you, I am also curious as I've seen other orientations like this though I've yet to observe credentialed award winners on the Concourse. Following I'll attach a closer-up pic of the top of the heater that more clearly shows the defroster tubes. Again, my apologies to Mr_Corvair. Steve This message was edited by len47merc on 1-30-15 @ 2:52 PM
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| len47merc | -- 01-30-2015 @ 2:53 PM |
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Close-up of the top of the heater showing the defroster outlet flange and original tubes Steve This message was edited by len47merc on 1-30-15 @ 2:54 PM
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| Drbrown | -- 01-30-2015 @ 4:30 PM |
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My '47 Super Deluxe has the Gray Hammertone finish with its longitudinal door at bottom front and the double defroster housing at top rear as seen in one of the above postings. I haven't examined the front housing closely but was under the impression one could rotate the front housing upon the core. In my opinion I would rather have the longitudinal door at the bottom to better direct heat down to the floor level. My car lived in CA from its origin and until abt 2000 and apparently got the standard dealer's heater at its beginnings. P.S. Obviously (maybe), the defroster feature works better if one closes the front doors of the heater. This message was edited by Drbrown on 1-30-15 @ 9:48 PM
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| Mr_Corvair | -- 01-30-2015 @ 6:52 PM |
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Thank you all.I ordered gray rust-oleum hammered paint from Home Depot. The front cover is square and could be mounted with the long door up, down, or sideways! All the heaters I've seen had the long door on the bottom.
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| len47merc | -- 01-30-2015 @ 7:01 PM |
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I too would prefer to have the rectangular door at the bottom for the same reason, but this is how she was upon receipt and given the interior somehow survived the decades I've been reluctant to change anything pending Rouge class interior judging in Charlotte later this year. Perhaps this orientation bit is a non-issue from a judging perspective. After the detour here glad you got your answer on the color Mr_Corvair. Steve
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| TomO | -- 01-31-2015 @ 8:29 AM |
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The 41 heater that I restored had the side mounting screws offset to prevent the cover from being installed upside down. It also had a hole in the cover for the defroster control, so there was no way to install it with the long door at the top. I see no advantage and a large disadvantage to having the long door at the top. Heat rises and you would want the hot air to be directed to the floor, when the long door is open and the switch is in the direct position. With the long door at the top, the fan is going to direct most of the heat under the instrument panel. The side screws seem to be offset on Steve's heater as well, with the passenger side screw lower than the driver's side screw. This could be an illusion due to the different angles of the photos. If they are at the same level, I can only assume that in the past someone installed the cover upside down. This could have been done at the dealer's when the car was new. If they are offset, it leaves me to wonder if a vendor supplied heaters with the door at the top. The defrosters on my 40 work better with the heater doors open. This allows the fan to suck air through the core easier. the 40 heater has an open section all of the time, so the defrosters get air with the doors closed. As far as Rouge judging goes, the heater door configuration would not make much difference. IMHO it is less than 1% of the interior. Rouge judging does not take points off for individual items like Concourse judging does. The judges just determine if the 90% of the area being judged is original. As far as Concourse Judging goes, I would deduct 1 point for the cover being installed incorrectly as all literature show the long door at the bottom. As an owner you would have to show me some documentation that cars were delivered from the factory with that door configuration. Another judge may have a different opinion. Tom This message was edited by TomO on 1-31-15 @ 8:31 AM
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| len47merc | -- 01-31-2015 @ 8:49 AM |
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Thanks Tom for your reply. I just checked the screws and yes the top screw is offset to the passenger side while the bottom screw is offset to the driver side, so it apparently can be removed and rotated 180 degrees. The screws and the surrounding paint do not appear to ever have been touched, part of the reason I have been reluctant to touch it at all until your response. Always felt it should have been reversed for the reasons you state but did not want to compromise any points in advance of judging. Impossible to provide documentation that it was this way from the dealer so I plan on removing it later this afternoon and rotating. Thanks again for your reply. Steve
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| len47merc | -- 02-01-2015 @ 7:57 AM |
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Quick follow-up - removed all 4 screws and, with a bit of gentle persuasion to break the now 36+ known years of 'bond' from being in this orientation, the cover w/doors slid off. Flipped it 180 degrees, the offset top and bottom screw holes lined up (as did the side holes) and it scr*w*d back in. Bottom screw a bit tough as it required a small mirror and a 90 degree right angle screwdriver. Got my horizontal door on the bottom now. Thanks to all for your questions, insight and advice. Steve
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| trjford8 | -- 02-01-2015 @ 9:15 AM |
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You may have gotten the "Monday" heater installation at the dealership. May have been a rough weekend for the mechanic!
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| Drbrown | -- 02-01-2015 @ 10:11 PM |
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Good thing a "Monday" morning mechanic didn't work on your distributor.
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