| murphy1936 | -- 12-06-2013 @ 4:49 PM |
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When purchased car has Mallory distributor. Eliminating original distributor. Does anyone know how to check timing on this Mallory distributor. I am completely lost. Called Mallory tech people tell me to refer to car manual? Don't have one but plan on locating. The original manual I believe will not tell me anything because this is a flat unit butts up against motor with a crab distributor. CANT START CAR UNLESS I KNOW TIME CORRECT. ALSO STILL CANNOT YET GET CAR TO TURN OVER AND KEEP TURNING I GET. THREE REVS THATS IT STARTER WAS CHECKED OUT OK. ALL NEW GROUNDS. NEED YOUR HELP OR REFERRAL THKS JOHN
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| deuce_roadster | -- 12-06-2013 @ 6:15 PM |
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If the distributor is already on the engine, it is in time close enough to run. They only can bolt on 1 way due to the slot in the cam that it engages is off center. The distributer itself should be set up on a machine off the car. Unless someone has created a pointer and marked the crank pulley, there is no way to know where you are at if you try to use a timing light.
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| murphy1936 | -- 12-06-2013 @ 7:42 PM |
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There is a paint mark on distributor and matching mark on engine so you have hit the. Nail on its head thank you . I set it up on the mark after installing new pts. Thks Again john
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| murphy1936 | -- 12-06-2013 @ 7:42 PM |
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There is a paint mark on distributor and matching mark on engine so you have hit the. Nail on its head thank you . I set it up on the mark after installing new pts. Thks Again john
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| 40 Coupe | -- 12-07-2013 @ 5:12 AM |
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What engine do you have 36 or 49? the Mallory distributor varies. Is your car 12V or 6V? The distributor could be electronic Vs points?? If you have a 36 with 6V then the distributor is points and the Mallory is not the best of distributors for your car. The have inherent problems with the advance. They can not be timed on the car unless your engine is modified by previous owner with timing marks. I would suggest you send the distributor out for service to Bubbas hot rod shop in Indy. He can check out the unit and it's advance, once timed it can be reinstalled carefully so it is installed correctly (incorrect installation results in breaking of the housing once you try to start the car). In the mean time you can remove the starter motor and clean all the rust and paint off all 6 surfaces of the starter motor and to where it bolts on to the oil pan. Make sure you have the small bracket to oil pan and clean it and the bolts reinstall with star lock washers at the bolt heads. See if this helps your slow starter motor. Make sure the battery is good, take it to a auto parts store that can load check the battery on a special tester, many stores have this including Sears, the service is usually free. This message was edited by 40 Coupe on 12-7-13 @ 5:16 AM
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| TomO | -- 12-07-2013 @ 9:26 AM |
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John, Have you tried turning over the engine with the ignition switch off? Do you have the voltage readings for the points that I described in this post https://www.earlyfordv8.org/forum/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=18&Topic=6755&sortby=desc The measurements that I described will help to isolate the problem. With the points, if the correct dwell is set for each set, the timing will be correct. The tang on the back of the distributor fits into a slot in the camshaft. The tang and slot are both offset so that when the distributor is mounted correctly, it is in time. Tom This message was edited by TomO on 12-7-13 @ 9:34 AM
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| murphy1936 | -- 12-07-2013 @ 1:25 PM |
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UPDATE FOR ALL GOOD MEN. STARTER NOW TURNS OVER THE PROBLEM SEEM TO BE CABLE FROM SOLENOID TO STARTER. RAN BATTERY DOWN TRYING TO START CAR. BEING CHARGED. THIS IBS WHAT WAS DONE SO far; 1 . New optima, new coil, new condenser, new rotor, new points, new redirected ground cables,,to chassis and firewall,. Getting 1.4 to 1.5 ohms from coil, getting 4.5 volts from coil when turning engine over. ONLY ONE SET OF POINTS SEEM TO BE FIRING THE TOP SET ON THE MALLORY IGNITION, THE BOTTOM IS NOT. ALL PLUGS SEEM TO BE FIRING UP ON LEFT SIDE. HAVENT TRIED RIGHT SIDE YET. What where is the resister everyone is mentioning? At leased she turns over now I'm stuck again john
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| murphy1936 | -- 12-07-2013 @ 1:26 PM |
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The engine is a 1941 super deluxe.
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| murphy1936 | -- 12-07-2013 @ 1:57 PM |
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This is a Mallory distributor do they have to be timed using a machine and when putting it back on car, the rotor can go in at o or 180 degrees from 0 into the slot .. ..? John
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| murphy1936 | -- 12-07-2013 @ 4:58 PM |
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Starter taken out but fellow just cleaned it and the commutator plus checked brushes the we tried and the cable from solenoid was changed. The starter now turns over engine but won't start yet Thanks for ur help
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| 40 Coupe | -- 12-08-2013 @ 4:10 AM |
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The front of the cam has a slot for the distributor, the distributor has a raised tang to fit the slot. The slot is NOT in the center of the cam, it is offset toward one side. The tang on the distributor is also offset, so in theory the distributor can only fit on in one position. In actuality without the bolts or with large holes for the bolts the distributor can be put on two ways, of course only one way is correct or the timing will be 180 degrees off. With a Ford distributor if you bolt up the distributor with the distributor tang off 180 and turn the engine over you will break the distributor body. The ford distributor fits with very close tolerance and does not use elongated holes for timing adjustment. Fords distributor was made to be timed off the vehicle and then installed, once installed properly, there was no need to time the car again so there were no timing marks. If you have the Mallory with elongated mounting holes for timing your going to also need timing marks and a timing light.
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| supereal | -- 12-08-2013 @ 7:00 AM |
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Over the years, we have removed several Mallory distributors which failed. The symptoms you describe are typical for this unit. When the stock distributor, properly set up, will go for years without attention, it makes little sense to create problems with a non stock conversion.
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| murphy1936 | -- 12-08-2013 @ 9:32 AM |
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Thank you for the explanation, there is a timing mark on the distributor. Paint mark, and one on the gasket that goes between the distributor and cam. Problem is the gasket moves around as it's slotted also . So I will see if there is another mark on the car . Big problem is only one set of points fire up when turned over? I don't know why I'm all alone on this and in a mess trying to straighten out the problem. I will try to see if tip of point has any voltage. Thank you for everything. john Super Deluxe 41
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| murphy1936 | -- 12-09-2013 @ 9:07 AM |
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SUPEREAL, THANK YOU. ,I HAVE A STOCK DISTRIBUTOR FOR CAR BUT NEED TO HAVE IT TIMED. HAVE ANY INFORMATION WHERE I CAN HAVE IT DONE. JOHN Super Deluxe 41
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| supereal | -- 12-09-2013 @ 9:43 AM |
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Send it to Skip Haney. He will repair any problems and set it up on his machine. His phone is 941-637-6698. E-mail: skip@fordsrus.com. It is usually advisable to send the coil, too, as if it is deficient, Skip can rebuild it. Running the distributor on a machine shows a strobe pattern that may indicate point bounce,or shaft and bushing wear. Skip is an expert, good service, and easy to deal with.
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| TomO | -- 12-09-2013 @ 9:54 AM |
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John, Skip Haney in FL does it as well as C&G in CA and Yesteryear Ford Parts in Livonia, MI. To get the car started, you can gap both sets of points at .016". This setting will set your distributor close enough to start the engine. The main reasons for setting up the Ford distributors on a distributor machine is to ensure that the points are not bouncing, they are not shorted to ground, the advance mechanism is working and that the vacuum brake is working. Tom
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