| 39Fordfan | -- 08-24-2013 @ 11:05 AM |
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I've got my '39 Fordor Deluxe listed for sale on this website's Classified section. I've gotten a reply from someone named Vincent Warren who seems to have little regard for the asking price and wants to pay by PayPal and send an agent out here to pick the car up. Anybody hear of this guy or this way of purchasing? Here is what he e-mailed me yesterday... I want to purchase your 1939 Ford Deluxe still available for sale,What is the last asking price,I will like to pay using PayPal,After payments has been made,I will arrange for the pick-up and will you let my pick-up agent to come to you house for the pick up?Because i don't want you to worry yourself about the shipment. Regards
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| carson nv | -- 08-24-2013 @ 11:18 AM |
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100% SCAM. If you tell him to send his "pickup agent" with cash he will go away.
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| Old Henry | -- 08-24-2013 @ 11:25 AM |
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As carson nv said, PayPal payments can be taken back. Cash can't. If buyer is ligit he'll send his agent with cash. Old Henry (The older I get, the better old looks.) This message was edited by Old Henry on 8-24-13 @ 11:25 AM
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| 39Fordfan | -- 08-24-2013 @ 11:44 AM |
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Well Thanks guys. I'm glad I posted here, I knew better. After reading your posts I wrote him back what you said. I'll let you know if he responds again. Its always such a temptation to throw caution to the wind as you want to believe that wonderful deal is just about to fall in your lap.
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| nelsb01 | -- 08-24-2013 @ 12:59 PM |
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PayPal is not 100% safe anyway. As a PayPal account holder, I have gotten my fair share of fraudulant PayPal emails telling me that 'Your account will be frozen unless you respond with your bank account and social security numbers' emails. So, while PayPal is good, others have found a way to replicate the PayPal forms. So, the 'PayPal' connection for paying, may have even been a scam.
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| 39Fordfan | -- 08-24-2013 @ 2:50 PM |
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Here is the latest from him... I appreciate your response,I'm an marine engineer and at this moment am presently working offshore,Sometimes access to regular emails and phone calls is very poor offshore due to inefficiency of the immarsat service,I located in Pacific WA, and i want you to know that I am ok with the condition of the Ford Deluxe and the asking price as well,I am buying the Ford Deluxe as a gift for my father and I want to surprise him.I don't have access to my bank account on-line as i don't have internet banking but i have my bank account attached to my PayPal account and this is why i insisted in paying you through PayPal,kindly get back to me with your PayPal email address and if you don't have PayPal account yet,it is very easy to set up at your bank or online and get it set up,after you have set it up i will only need the e-mail address you use for registration with PayPal so as to put the money through,I can proceed with the payment and after the payment has been done,I have a pick up agent that will come around for verifications and to pick the Ford Deluxe after i have made the payments for the Ford Deluxe.So I will need you to provide me with the following information to facilitate the making of the payment. 1.Your PayPal full name. 2.Your PayPal Email Address. 3..Your phone number. Once again ,I will like you to know that you will not be responsible for shipping. I will have my pick-up agent come over as soon as you have receive the payment confirmation. Regards.
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| Old Henry | -- 08-24-2013 @ 3:29 PM |
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My response would be, "Have your agent set up a PayPal account for himself, pay him, have him get the cash, and bring it to pick up the car." Even if it was all legit and the PayPal payment worked out you, as the seller, would pay a huge percentage of what you received to PayPal on the transaction. Old Henry (The older I get, the better old looks.)
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| keith oh | -- 08-24-2013 @ 3:53 PM |
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I got the same message two days ago. His grammer and spelling has improved anyway.
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| 39Fordfan | -- 08-24-2013 @ 5:06 PM |
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Yes, I did some digging on PayPal's site and it turns out this story of being out to sea, yada,yada, is quite a common variation of this scam. I have done a lot of transactions as a seller and a buyer on PayPal and have never had a problem, but I've never had one go over $1500 so this is new territory for me.
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| Ross6860 | -- 08-24-2013 @ 7:13 PM |
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Ha, ha, most likely a scam. FWIW - I am a Marine Engineer. Tell him to send you 10% by PayPal and you will hold the car for him until he gets leave. Then he can Bank Transfer the money to your account (you can even set up a new account at your bank just for this deal and then cancel it). Once everything clears, he can have "his agent" pick up the car. Or, as others stated, just bring cash...
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| fla48 | -- 08-24-2013 @ 8:17 PM |
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This scam has been around for a while. They use for both buying and selling cars. My brother ran across the same thing for them trying to sell him a Corvette. Run fast from this deal.
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| fla48 | -- 08-24-2013 @ 8:17 PM |
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This scam has been around for a while. They use for both buying and selling cars. My brother ran across the same thing for them trying to sell him a Corvette. Run fast from this deal.
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| Grant | -- 08-25-2013 @ 7:20 AM |
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I have received exactly word-for-word the same response from Mr. Warren regarding our EFV8 classified ad for a 1950 coupe. Is there some way by which our website administrator can identify this bottomfeeder ? Or perhaps his "agent" who is operating here in North America ? Do we have an attorney or a law enforcement officer as a club member who could comment on this ?
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| Hardie | -- 08-25-2013 @ 7:39 AM |
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If his offer is "too good to be true" it isn't. The old saying "buyer beware" now reads everyone beware.There are several variants on this theme. I am retired after thirty plus years in law enforcement in Canada most of which was in major crimes, organized crime and rackets. As a rule there are too many "ifs" in these matters to make it practical to investigate.Not impossible just impractical. If the perpetrator is in the USA it will probably be a Federal matter so it would be a Federal enforcement agency inquiry.It would be a matter of tracing the guy which can likely be done and then it gets complicated and time consuming. He's likely defrauded someone along the line and if the victim can be identified and the perpetrator located he could be prosecuted. He might well be off-shore or across the border; who knows. A report to your local Federal Law Enforcement agency will put the matter on record but that's about as far as it's likely to go without further information; maybe it's been reported elsewhere in which case it will already be on some agencies data base. My advice: don't deal with this person further, when you see the money let the car go to it's new owner or just keep it. You'll miss it when it leaves. Mac
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| Hardie | -- 08-25-2013 @ 7:39 AM |
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If his offer is "too good to be true" it isn't. The old saying "buyer beware" now reads everyone beware.There are several variants on this theme. I am retired after thirty plus years in law enforcement in Canada most of which was in major crimes, organized crime and rackets. As a rule there are too many "ifs" in these matters to make it practical to investigate.Not impossible just impractical. If the perpetrator is in the USA it will probably be a Federal matter so it would be a Federal enforcement agency inquiry.It would be a matter of tracing the guy which can likely be done and then it gets complicated and time consuming. He's likely defrauded someone along the line and if the victim can be identified and the perpetrator located he could be prosecuted. He might well be off-shore or across the border; who knows. A report to your local Federal Law Enforcement agency will put the matter on record but that's about as far as it's likely to go without further information; maybe it's been reported elsewhere in which case it will already be on some agencies data base. My advice: don't deal with this person further, when you see the money let the car go to it's new owner or just keep it. You'll miss it when it leaves. Mac
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| trjford8 | -- 08-25-2013 @ 8:04 AM |
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Here's the problem with these scams. Most often they originate in Nigeria. The crook uses e-mail addresses in England or other countries making it difficult to trace or identify the actual crook. Even if located trying to prosecute the crime in another country is difficult if not impossible. Until the crook actually receives some money from the victim there is no crime as there is no loss. Once your e-mail address is on an ad you have opened it up to the public. When posting an ad you might post your phone number and indicate that you will only respond to phone calls. I find this eliminates scammers. I spent 35 years in law enforcement and the best advice I can give is the following; If it sounds too good to be true it is usually a scam. Always try to do business via phone and then face to face with the buyer or seller or a legitimate agent with the proper ID. Do not release the property until you know that the money is good. Cash or wire transfer between legitimate banks are the two best ways to do business. Cashier's checks are usually fine as long as you know the person. Be very wary of cashier's checks from foreign banks or buyers you do not know on a personal basis. Again do not release the item until the bank determines the check is good. There's lots of phony cashier's checks floating around. Most legitimate buyers will want to inspect the item or have an agent inspect the item. Someone offering to buy a car sight unseen should put you on your guard right from the start. I have received those scam e-mails from these people and I just reply that I don't sell to anyone outside the US. When I do a "want ad" and receive an e-mail that looks suspicious offering the part, I ask for a photo of the item. They do not respond back when you ask for the photo. Lastly if you think it's suspicious ask your friends for an opinion on the transaction. I'm sure I may have missed a point or two, but you get the idea that your basic intuition is usually the best guide when it comes to "smelling a rat".
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| 39Fordfan | -- 08-25-2013 @ 12:55 PM |
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Great stuff from all of you. I think it serves as a great reminder that you can't be too careful. My Dad used to say, it often seems if we have problem we naturally want to keep it to ourselves. But I have found it is better to tell as many people about it as possible as someone else has probably already been through your problem and will have a fairly easy solution for you. That's what this forum is all about. Thanks!
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| JM | -- 08-28-2013 @ 7:19 AM |
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Here is an email message that I just received. Lots of lowlife bottom feeders out there. He/she used several different names in this message and I never requested a loan. Hello, We are here to inform you that your loan has been approved for transfer and we have been waiting for your response to enable us complete the loan transfer so if you know you are still interested in getting the loan please get back to us immediately if not the loan transaction will be cancel this week thanks and God bless.. Larry John.. John
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| JM | -- 08-28-2013 @ 8:27 AM |
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Deleted This message was edited by JM on 8-28-13 @ 8:30 AM
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| 39topless | -- 08-28-2013 @ 8:43 AM |
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you're right on. Just look at their grammar. I lost a lot of $ to one of these guys and, looking back, all I had to have done was notice the obvious grammatical mistakes. And don't expect the listing site (my case, ebay) to help in any way after the scam has taken place. Glad you were smarter than I was.
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| woodiewagon46 | -- 08-28-2013 @ 11:16 AM |
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39Fordfan, Do not get involved with this guy, it has SCAM written all over it. If you do, the next time you get to NY, look me up, I have several bridges that I own and will sell you one. Think of all the money you will make from the tolls!!!
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| silverchief | -- 08-28-2013 @ 2:31 PM |
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I am a retired Treasury Enforcement Agent. Even if a suspicious buyer agreed to show up with $10,000 in cash, I would insist the transaction be completed at your local Secret Service office, where the currency could be examined. The Secret Service was established in 1865 specifically for the purpose of suppressing the cfting of U.S. currency, and it is their second most important responsibility. The reason you have seen so many changes design in recent years is because overseas counterfeiters are very skilled - and they specialize in larger denomination bills.
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