| DEAN333 | -- 09-17-2012 @ 1:37 PM |
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....is what I need. I believe the following pics are of a '35 due to vertical flutes on the side of carb mount. TIM CARLIG
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| DEAN333 | -- 09-17-2012 @ 1:38 PM |
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pic 2... TIM CARLIG
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| DEAN333 | -- 09-17-2012 @ 1:39 PM |
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pic 3... TIM CARLIG
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| DEAN333 | -- 09-17-2012 @ 1:39 PM |
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pic 4.. TIM CARLIG
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| DEAN333 | -- 09-17-2012 @ 1:40 PM |
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Pic 5. TIM CARLIG
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| Stroker | -- 09-17-2012 @ 2:22 PM |
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The vertical "flutes" are the heat-riser passages, and the photo's you have appear to be for a later engine, as they are of a cast-iron rather than aluminum manifold.
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| deluxe40 | -- 09-17-2012 @ 5:11 PM |
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Looks like a 38-40 (81C 6520). The threaded holes on the driver's side for the vacuum brake and the windshield wipers are clues.
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| kubes40 | -- 09-17-2012 @ 6:10 PM |
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later replacement service part for 38-41. My earlier suggestion about it being for 42 - 48 was incorrect. I did miss the fact there was no vacuum port beneath the carb riser. This message was edited by kubes40 on 9-18-12 @ 5:23 AM
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| ford38v8 | -- 09-17-2012 @ 7:51 PM |
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There may be an impression of a mold date tag on the underside. Alan
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| deluxe40 | -- 09-17-2012 @ 7:53 PM |
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Not sure about '42, but all of the '46 through '48 manifolds I remember had the vacuum brake and windshield wiper vacuum take-off hole near the base of the carburetor on the firewall side.
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| 40 Coupe | -- 09-18-2012 @ 3:59 AM |
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Lots of different answers make this very confusing. I thought you were looking for a 36 intake?? Is this manifold made of cast iron or aluminum?? Both the 35 and 36 Ford passenger car manifolds are made of Aluminum. You are correct about the bumps by the base appearing to be 35 for the heat riser runners. Also the sudden drop to a nearly 90 degree angle at the front of the Carb mounting appears to be 35. The 36 drops and then rolls with a radius instead of the sharp bend of the 35. The carburetor base is shaped like a "D" which also appears like 35-36, the same shape as the Stromberg EE-1 base. Here are some kickers. Neither the 35 or 36 intakes have a hole in the carburetor mounting surface! Also there is that round knob just to the rear of the center of the manifold. I have only seen that knob on reproduction intake manifolds, so I do not believe it was made for Ford to install on the production line. All the aluminum intake manifolds and heads made for Ford production have a Mfg. code, it is a small circle with either the numbers 1, 2 or 3 inside. The Ford manifolds may have a date code embossed in the aluminum on the bottom but that is not always true. All the 34-40 intake manifolds have the two small vacuum ports on the left hand side (drivers side) the front one is for the distributor and the rear for the wiper. Good Luck your search goes on.
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| DEAN333 | -- 09-18-2012 @ 5:04 AM |
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I am looking for a 36 intake!! I am asking for help so as to not buy an incorrect one!! TIM CARLIG
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| supereal | -- 09-18-2012 @ 11:00 AM |
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I am posting a photo of an aluminum intake manifold from our collection of old parts. There is no marking of any kind anywhere on the piece. It does have two vacuum taps on the driver's side, and only the two round holes on the carb mounting. I bought it at a swap meet years ago to get the carb and linkage. Because the intake manifolds from '37 on usually had cast-in risers below the carb mount. I assumed this one was earlier. Disregard the writing on the top of the piece. I wrote that because it was my best guess, and is not "official". This message was edited by supereal on 9-18-12 @ 11:02 AM
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| Stroker | -- 09-18-2012 @ 11:09 AM |
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I believe that Super's "mystery-manifold" is an early 38. What you are looking for in a 36 manifold will be very similar in appearance, with the exception of the generator/fan mount, which will be considerably higher.
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| supereal | -- 09-18-2012 @ 11:54 AM |
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That was my best guess, too, Dan. Most of the reference books don't show good examples of intake manifolds or, more properly, "valve covers". The 35-36-37 years were times of big changes at Ford, making some parts very hard to find. I needed a carb and linkage for a customer, and had to buy the manifold to get them. When your '38 needs one, you will know where to find me!
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| lightflyer1 | -- 09-18-2012 @ 9:08 PM |
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Here is a pic of my 35 if that will help you any. http://s191.photobucket.com/albums/z73/lightflyer1/1935%20Ford/?action=view¤t=35bluefordeng.jpg
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| lightflyer1 | -- 09-18-2012 @ 9:09 PM |
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Here is a pic of my 35 if that will help you any. http://s191.photobucket.com/albums/z73/lightflyer1/1935%20Ford/?action=view¤t=35bluefordeng.jpg
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| supereal | -- 09-19-2012 @ 3:29 PM |
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It sure looks like the one I have. Thanks for the pic.
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| Stroker | -- 09-19-2012 @ 4:01 PM |
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Super: Look closely at the generator mount height. Your "37-39?" has a much lower mount than the earlier 35-36. You are right in that there were many changes during the years 35-39, and your manifold will mount the generator and fan too low to be correct for the head-mounted pump arrangement. The 37, 38, and 39 Standards had a very narrow, flat top header tank that will not clear the earlier "high mount" 35-36 aluminum manifolds. I'd guess you COULD use a 37+ manifold on the earlier motor, but you would need to use the later distributor so the fan blades don't hit the earlier coil, and of course it wouldn't be correct. What you cannot physically do is to use the 35-36 manifold on a 37-39 std without trimming the fan blades to clear the header tank. Note to DEAN333, you would have the same problem if you decided to substitute the cast iron late model manifold that you posted photos of. The generator would simply be too low, and the fan would hit the larger "beehive" style coil. This message was edited by Stroker on 9-19-12 @ 4:09 PM
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| 39 STD | -- 09-20-2012 @ 12:10 PM |
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I think this is the one he's looking for.
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| 40 Coupe | -- 09-20-2012 @ 2:22 PM |
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39 STD: I am not so sure. The knob to the rear of the carb mounting suggest this manifold is not ford but a replacement for what does look like 36. Does this manifold also have a circle with a number inside stamped into the aluminum? What is the number?
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| Stroker | -- 09-20-2012 @ 2:42 PM |
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By 40 coupe's reckoning, (which I'm certainly not questioning), it looks like lightflyer1 could use 39 STD's manifold on his gorgeous 35, and DEAN333 needs to find one that looks exactly like the one pictured on lightflyer1's post. I never knew the subtle differences between a 35 and 36 manifold (valve cover) until now, as my family only owned a couple of 35 trucks during my lifetime. I'm still not sure when the aluminum manifold was phased-out. My 38 came with a Chandler-Groves carb, and an aluminum manifold when new. I've heard that the aluminum manifold was replaced with the cast iron manifold shortly thereafter. Does anyone know when that was? The "mystery manifold" that Super posted a photo of is obviously of post 36 vintage, but obviously would bolt-on any flathead through 1940. In 41 cars, the Gen mount was beefed-up to hold the infamous fan mount bearing while the trucks still mounted the fan on the crankshaft. So.....when was the last application for the aluminum manifold (valve cover) that was standard flathead topping dating from 1932? Perhaps I need a "Manifold Spotters Guide".
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| 39 STD | -- 09-20-2012 @ 2:53 PM |
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40 Coupe, Yes there is a circled #3 with a #1 in front of that. There's also another "knob" beside the fuel pump mount. On the underside of the intake the casting tag # is 1-28.
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| DEAN333 | -- 09-20-2012 @ 3:04 PM |
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Alot of lively discussion!! I am surprised no one has a '36 manifold to sell! TIM CARLIG
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| supereal | -- 09-20-2012 @ 3:46 PM |
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There are a couple of dozen generators shown in the green book. If I had a 35-36 Ford, I'd opt for a two brush type with a regulator, and a generator that allowed the use of a standard size belt. I am not a purist, of course, but unless you are trying to make it "as Henry built it", why not use the better system ? I believe that most owners want a car they can drive and trust without continual fixing and adjusting.
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| kubes40 | -- 09-20-2012 @ 6:02 PM |
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Hey Stroker, The aluminum valve chamber cover was phased out during the '39 production. They were actually mixed in production (randomly) with cast iron. 1940 - NO aluminum intakes.
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| 39 STD | -- 09-20-2012 @ 6:14 PM |
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Dean wanted another picture-#2 This message was edited by 39 STD on 9-20-12 @ 6:15 PM
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| 39 STD | -- 09-20-2012 @ 6:16 PM |
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#3
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| 40 Coupe | -- 09-21-2012 @ 4:12 AM |
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I can not help with a photo of a 36 manifold but here is a 35 intake that appears exactly as the one in the 35 restoration book (no extra knobs ) the circle with the number 3 is cast into the top of the manifold in front of the carb riser.
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| Stroker | -- 09-21-2012 @ 5:52 AM |
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Kube: That's kind of what I guessed, now I know for sure. Thanks!
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| TomO | -- 09-23-2012 @ 5:54 PM |
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Tim, Contact Don Rogers, the 35-36 Adviser. He will be able to give you most of the answers that you want. Tom
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