| tex42 | -- 07-01-2012 @ 11:35 AM |
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Never mind, found old locks and hole in door for set screw. Is the set screw an allen type set screw? This message was edited by tex42 on 7-1-12 @ 1:14 PM
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| supereal | -- 07-01-2012 @ 12:07 PM |
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The lock cylinders are held in place by a set screw on the edge of the door. This screw is usually covered by the rubber weather strip, so you will have to dig for it. They tend to be rusty, and may need some penetrating oil to get them out. Be careful not to damage the head of the screw, as they are then really tough to get out. Don't ask how I know that. Early '42s often used a "flipper" cover with an indented circle like the '41. The later version has a flipper with a raised "teardrop" notch. You shouldn't have to cut the shank if the locks are correctly made. Remove the inside door trim panel and see that the square shank goes thru the bit in the lock assembly before you shorten it.
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| tex42 | -- 07-01-2012 @ 1:15 PM |
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Thanks, I had them out and was trying to reinstall the locks. So are you saying that the set screw was a screw? Was it a phillips type screw?
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| supereal | -- 07-01-2012 @ 2:49 PM |
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It has been a long time since I replaced locks, but I believe the set screws have slotted heads, if they haven't been replaced. When I said "screw", I was referring to a small bolt, as compared to a pointed screw. If you have the correct lock, replacement shouldn't be difficult. Simply insert the shank into the latch mechanism thru the hole in the door. Usually the latch must be unlocked to accept the shank. This requires that the inside handle be in the down, or unlocked, position. This message was edited by supereal on 7-1-12 @ 2:51 PM
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| 42merc | -- 07-01-2012 @ 3:45 PM |
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Both my '40 & '42 locks were held in by socket head set screws [ allen ]. If I remember correctly 10-32x3/4" or 1" long.
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| 42wagon | -- 07-01-2012 @ 3:46 PM |
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According to the 41-48 book the indented circle style lock cover was used until 1947. Also be aware the Phillips style screw heads were not used on prewar cars.
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| tex42 | -- 07-01-2012 @ 8:34 PM |
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I hate to tell you this, but my 42, which we are the 3rd owner of, had a bunch of Phillips head screws in it when it took it apart. David
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| jdleach | -- 07-01-2012 @ 9:26 PM |
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Hmmm... I have a 1949 Ford F2 that has been in the family for 43 years, and had less than 40K miles on it when we got it, and there is not one Phillips head screw anywhere to be found on it. Further, there are no socket type screws either (Allen). Dave
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| 42wagon | -- 07-02-2012 @ 3:46 AM |
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David According to the 41-48 Ford book page 3-26 "It is important to note that NO fasteners in ANY part of pre-WW-II Ford used Phillips Head Screws." (The emphasis on no and any is in the book.) When I took my 42 completely apart I found no Phillips head screws with the exception of the choke cable clamp that was an obvious replacement. Ted
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| 42guy | -- 07-02-2012 @ 6:30 PM |
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NO phillips head screws in a 42.Also my door locks had allen head set screw
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| 41-42fordadvisor | -- 07-03-2012 @ 6:20 PM |
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No phillips head screws were used on any pre-war Ford. There are no phillips head screws listed in the pre-war Ford parts books. The door locks are held in place by an allen head set screw.
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| convert 1942 | -- 07-05-2012 @ 9:57 AM |
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Gentlemen , Regarding the use of Phillips head screws in 1942 Ford cars; I have personally inspected over 30 various models of 1942 Ford cars over the last 20 years, and all had Phillips head screws used to attach the door hinges to the body pillars.It is possible that some Ford plants used slotted screws to attach the door hinges, but I have seen none so far. I currently own a 1942 Ford convertible and previously owned another 42 convertible and both had Phillips head screws in the hinges. In both convertibles there were no other Phillips head screws found on these cars.I have Ford factory photos showing the use of Phillips head screws to secure the hinges. FYI.
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| 42wagon | -- 07-05-2012 @ 12:27 PM |
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Just out of curiosity I took a look at the hinges in the front pillars of my wagon. Now I hadn't removed the screws and I doubt anyone else might have. They are slotted oval head machine screws. So I went to the 42 body parts list issued in March 1942. In it is a list of all the fasteners used. This list indicates that the same oval head machine screw was used for the hinges of all body styles including the convertible and station wagon. There is no indication in this list as to whether the machine screws are slotted or phillips. I would have expected some recognition if phillips screws were being used. All this means nothing of course unless you intend to enter fine point judging. If that is the case you had better have some documentation to back up the claim that phillips screws were used since the 41-48 Ford book states emphatically that they were not used.
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| trjford8 | -- 07-05-2012 @ 7:33 PM |
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There's two words that people should not use when it comes to old Fords. Those words are "always" and "never". When you use those words someone will definitely prove you wrong. During the war a lot of things were in short supply so I suspect Ford used whatever was available at certain plants to get the cars off the assemmbly line. Ford used a lot of outside suppliers, so any part that would get the job accomplished was sent by the suppliers. Plant "A" runs out of 5/16X24 slot head screws and the supplier can only provide 5/16X24 phillips head screws at this time. Do you think they would shut down the assembly line and wait for the proper screws? Highly doubtful.
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