| Cadillac Ranch Norway | -- 08-12-2011 @ 7:05 AM |
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I have no experience on Ford, sorry for that and tried to search the web in any possible way to find some answer on extended 1936 Ford V8 with no luck at all. Hoping with help through this channel we might learn something, because it is an unrestored interesting complete car with lots of local history from the mountains. The 4 door Model 68 has been resting and well hidden in a barn since early 50s. The strange about this car that it is has 2 extra folded seats and a glass divider. The rear doors are longer than original and looks extremly well done, so is also the wheelbase. The car seems to have original black paint, but handpainted many years ago in skyblue color. We can`t find any traces in body, floorpans and roof or frame that it has ever been cut and welded longer. We know that some sedans was rebuild in Norway and Denmark but often cut and extended between the doors or behind the rear ones. This car show no traces of it. Can the Ford identyplate in engine room give more information to you?, its original and no extra numbers is stamped in afterwords. To us does it looks like this car was originally built from factory because its so well built and with a strange interior color. Can it be that Ford had a commercial chassis with longer wheelbase with stronger drivetrain that they might have used on special orders? The engine has 2 waterpumps, not shure if they all had. I would be very thankful if somebody took the time if they no anything about this 7-8 seats cars from Ford, because I can`t find any technical data sheet on Ford telling that they had a version with longer wheelbase than 112" Kind regards Ole
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| supereal | -- 08-12-2011 @ 10:15 AM |
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Without seeing a photo, I believe you have what is called a "service car". These were Fords modified by such companies as Siebert or Miller. Brewster also was active in the field, producing "town cars" with stretched chassis and extravagant appointments. I believe Siebert is still in business, making "stretch" limos, hearses, ambulances and funeral cars. To my knowledge, Ford didn't keep records of these vehicles, or on most of the others they produced. You might find a plate somewhere on the car giving the name of the place that produced it and, possibly, the serial number of production. As for water pumps, all Ford V8's had two from 1932 thru 1953. This message was edited by supereal on 8-12-11 @ 10:18 AM
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| TomO | -- 08-12-2011 @ 1:50 PM |
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I would like to see a photo of the car also. A good site to ask your question is the professional car site. The people on that site have done research on the manufacturers of limousines, ambulances, hearses and flower cars. They may have some information on what company may have built your 36 Ford or be able to direct you to a forum where you could get more information. http://www.professionalcar.org/forums/ Tom
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| Cadillac Ranch Norway | -- 08-15-2011 @ 5:37 AM |
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Many thanks both of you. I tried to become a member at http://www.professionalcar.org/forums/ but didn`t get access to enter the question. Perhaps because I`m outside US. I will take a picture of the car and enter it here for you to see. We are surprised if this car is made of a base from Ford that original had a 112" wheelbase, since it so nicely done. No traces at all on frame that it has ever been changed/stretched. I owned a 1989 stretched Lincoln Limousine for many years here in Norway, and it was very easy to see where the coachworkers have been doing jobs on the body. I will look for a coachworkers plate and take it from there. Many thanks for all help. Ole
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| TomO | -- 08-15-2011 @ 7:59 AM |
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I am not a member of that forum, but here is the contact for the webmaster. webmaster@professionalcar.org Tom
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| wmsteed | -- 08-15-2011 @ 9:35 AM |
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The difference between the quality of the craftsmanship in 1936 and 1989 would be like night and day. The "coach-built" welding and fitting of body panels would be done in such a manner that the welds would have been done by hand, butt welded, using gas welders in lieu of over lapped welds using electric welders. The chassis/frame might be a different story.. The original builder could have used a custom built frame. In 1936 the cost for a custom built frame would not of been that expensive... Probably way under a $100. Bill 36 5 win delx cpe
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| TomO | -- 08-16-2011 @ 6:54 AM |
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Bill, cost is relative, in 1936 $100 would be more than a months pay for the average worker. I have pay stubs from my mothers job as a secretary in 1939. She made $15 a week working for the WPA. Tom
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| wmsteed | -- 08-16-2011 @ 10:46 AM |
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I am very much aware that "costs are relative", however, nothing really ever changes, just more zeros get added to the final number. The fact of the matter is that the average working man is a lot better off now, than he was in 1936... I have an ad that compared a '36 Ford DeLux sedan with a '76 Ford Granada... The average Ford worker worked for a whole year to earn the cost of a '36 Ford, where-as the same man would have worked a whole year to earn the cost of the '76 Granada. The big difference was that the '36 Ford was basic transportation where-as the Granada had V8, AT, power disk brakes, PS and air conditioning. Another big difference was that the '36 Ford could not pass the safety/smog requirements of 1976. The vehicles used to make this comparison was a '36 Ford sedan from the Ford collection and a new 76 Granada fresh off of show room floor. Bill 36 5 win delx cpe
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| supereal | -- 08-16-2011 @ 10:47 AM |
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I have always been amazed at the craftsmanship used to produce the "professional cars", even in the early years. I suspect that many of the panels were made using an "English wheel" or similiar device, rather than cutting up the stock panels. Some of these vehicles, particularly the hearses, are truly a work of art. As TomO points out, labor costs were quite different then, but so was the effort and skill displayed. The fit and finish evident on today's cars shows that we have lost most, if not all, of that art.
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| ford38v8 | -- 08-16-2011 @ 12:39 PM |
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Bill, I'll take issue with your statement that the average working man is better off today. While that is true in regard to working conditions and technological advances in daily lifestyle, today he is inadequately compensated for his work. It used to be said that "Two can live cheaper than one". Today, it takes two wages to maintain a household. There is another old saying that is truer today than ever before; "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer." Alan
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| TomO | -- 08-17-2011 @ 7:33 AM |
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In 1936 the average working man's family lived in a dwelling of less than 1,000 square ft. Some families had radios or phonographs, not both. The man had 1 suit and a couple of pairs of trousers or jeans, the woman had 2 or 3 nice dresses and 4 or 5 daily dresses. They each and 1 pair of shoes and some people even had the list goes on of all of things we take for granted today that were not available to people in the 30's and 40's. Today the average home is around 2,000 square ft and most families have 2 cars, a large screen tv, kids that go to college and many other expenses that require 2 incomes. I was taught that the rich are the people that have a good family, good friends and are not envious of other peoples riches. Tom
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| wmsteed | -- 08-17-2011 @ 10:17 AM |
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OK Alan, So you think the average working person is not better off and/or is poorly compensated for his efforts. It all boils down to how you look at things.. Is the glass half empty, or is it half full. I come from a long line of working class people that emigrated to this country in the early 1840's.. My father was a journeyman Ceramic Tile Layer and he passed the trade onto me.. I have carried a journeyman's card for 57 years.. During the past 57 years I have enjoyed a very good life style, I put 5 kids through college and have accumulated a lot of toys, antique cars and Rec vehicles. The big problem with to many people today is that they want everything, yet they don't want to work for it. They want big brother to hand it to them. It is true that the rich get rich, and the poor get kids. However, the rich being rich is a good thing because they spend money... The poor getting kids is also a good thing if they educate them into being responsible citizens. Bill 36 5 win delx cpe
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| ford38v8 | -- 08-17-2011 @ 6:00 PM |
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Tom & Bill, I'll have to grudgingly agree with everything you both have said. A factor not brought up here is debt service, something that was almost a non-issue back in the day. It just baffles me as to why so many poeple view credit card interest as a required fact of life. My position is hereby modified to point up the unreal disparity between the working class' compensation and that of the ugly rich. Alan
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| Cadillac Ranch Norway | -- 08-22-2011 @ 2:20 AM |
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Here is a photo of the rare extended Model 68XA (according to the Ford identityplate) we found recently in a barn in Norway hidden since early 50`s.
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| TomO | -- 08-22-2011 @ 6:45 AM |
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That is a great "barn find". It is difficult to tell anything about the stretch because of the angle, but it looks similar to the stretch that was common to funeral cars and special ordered taxi cabs. Tom
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