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parrish
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-- 07-08-2011 @ 8:12 AM
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My understanding is that I should be able to push the button in and turn counterclockwise to remove...it isn't coming off, so any hints? Thanks!
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supereal
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-- 07-08-2011 @ 10:32 AM
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Often, the rubber insulator under the button or ring becomes stuck to the wheel, making the job tricky. If you work the button long enough, it is likely it will eventually break loose.
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cpipp01@aol.com
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-- 07-08-2011 @ 11:51 AM
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If I understand your question, The horn button on a 39 Ford is attached to the horn & light rod, you have to remove the clip at the bottom of the steering column in the engine bay and pull the button and rod out as a unit. See page 44 of the 1938 - 41 Ford Mercury Chassis Book. I have attached a photo of a 39 Mercury horn button and rod to give you an idea of the part.
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37RAGTOPMAN
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-- 07-08-2011 @ 1:08 PM
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parrish
if you have a convertible, you can put the top down,
if it is a sedan , or coupe, you will have to drop the column and ease it back and out, loosening the floor boards, and loosen the steering box on the chassis,
caution, have plenty of rags, for the light switch rod, usually they are very greasy.
I think it was in 1940, was the first year with a actual horn button,that was easy to remove, and had a headlight switch in the dash board,
hope this helps 37RAGTOPMAN
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kubes40
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-- 07-08-2011 @ 2:13 PM
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Ah Super, you're used to working on the newer (post war) fancy stuff.
there's no rubber insulator on a 39 
"37rag..." is right about the removal of a 39. And yes, '40 was the first Ford you could press down and turn the button to remove it.
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supereal
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-- 07-08-2011 @ 3:00 PM
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Guilty as charged, Mike. As the legendary former editor of the V8 TIMES, Bob McCoppin, used to say "If I am wrong, someone will be so kind as to correct me". I forgot that the '39 was the last year for the column rod. Only my wife is right all the time!
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parrish
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-- 07-08-2011 @ 8:01 PM
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So, I have to pull the whole horn rod assembly rather than just the horn button? Ouch...
This message was edited by parrish on 7-8-11 @ 8:08 PM
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ford38v8
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-- 07-08-2011 @ 8:18 PM
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Parrish, you bend the rod, it's trash.
Alan
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Tom/SC
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-- 07-08-2011 @ 8:22 PM
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In addition to the good advice offered already, if you drop the column down from the dashboard, be very careful while pulling the light/horn rod out of the steering shaft. Do not bend the rod nor stress it in any way. If you should bend the rod, it is virtually impossible to ever straighten it again. Good luck with your project. Tom
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trjford8
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-- 07-08-2011 @ 8:28 PM
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In addition to all the other good advice , be sure to cover your upholstery(seats, etc.) if you pull out the rod and button. The shaft is loaded with grease and oil and that stuff always finds a way to drip on nice upholstery.
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kubes40
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-- 07-09-2011 @ 6:11 AM
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Ah Super, What you could teach me about these old Fords and wives! I'm willing to bet you've forgotten more than I'll ever know.
Mike
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supereal
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-- 07-09-2011 @ 9:46 AM
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Mike, I wish that were true. My biggest problem is brushing away the cobwebs in my memory to get at the info. I was lucky enough to get my Ford "education" by working with the old timers and/of making a lot of mistakes, myself, but thanks for your kind words.
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Stroker
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-- 07-09-2011 @ 10:01 AM
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After all these amenities, we still haven't answered Parish's question; to wit: "How do you get the horn button out of a 39 Ford" Dropping the steering mast, and light switch assy, clip etc. will allow him to pull out the whole light switch operating rod, without bending it, but he still has to deal with the horn button. How does he get the horn button out of the light control knob? Is there any reason to remove the operating rod? I've never had the occasion (yet) to have to remove the horn button on my 38, and I hope I don't have to, but if I did, I still don't know how.
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Tom/SC
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-- 07-09-2011 @ 1:32 PM
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If I remember correctly, on the 34 and the 39 Ford I have restored, after you remove the horn rod from the column, underneath the horn button retainer, there are three brass tabs that hold the horn button retainer on around the button. You can carefully pry those tabs up, remove the retainer brass ring and the button. Tom
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Henryat1140
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-- 07-09-2011 @ 7:22 PM
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At the risk of being redundant, it is really important that you do not give in to the temptation to 'sneak' the horn rod out. It really needs to come out straight and not bowed to any degree. Do what's necessary to drop the column (or lower the top if an open car)
There is a c clip on the bottom of the column, when removing it, keep track of it because it is small. Once out the rod can be removed.
For 1936 the horn button is held on to the end of the rod with three tabs. Gently bend then straight and the horn button can be removed. I _think_ 39 is the same.
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trjford8
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-- 07-09-2011 @ 8:26 PM
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All the horn buttons through 39 are held on by the same method. The three tabs need to be carefully pried up to the straight position. Hopefully no one else has pried them up for a previous repair. They break off very easily if they have been pried up more than once. I have seen these rings with the tabs that hold the button in three different types of metal. Chrome plated brass, chrome plated steel, and stainless steel.
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Stroker
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-- 07-10-2011 @ 8:46 AM
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Given the hassle of loosening the steering box to frame connection, and dropping the column in order to completely withdraw the light switch rod on closed cars, has anyone simply withdrawn
the rod just far enough to reach the clips on the backside?
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