| Gene N. | -- 05-22-2011 @ 2:46 PM |
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I need a pair of rear axle seals for a 1934 ford rear not drum seals but the small seal that goes between the axle (outer part) and the outer casing WHERE do I get a pair Actually who sells them not a list of supplies houses THANKS
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| supereal | -- 05-22-2011 @ 4:12 PM |
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The small fiber axle seals are sold by most reliable vendors. I'm not sure why you don't want to know about sources. We buy those seals by the dozen at cgfordparts.com.
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| 40 Coupe | -- 05-23-2011 @ 11:40 AM |
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there are three seals: Inner axle housing B-4245, hub to axle bearing race B-1175. and hub to axle, just under the axle nut B-1183. NAPA has seals, as well as nearly all of the bearing retail houses (Bearing Distributors, Applied Industrial Tech, etc.), take the seal in and the diameter of the shaft and they should be able to match.
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| Gene N. | -- 05-24-2011 @ 7:07 AM |
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I guess I am not explaining myself well enough or not calling it right but what I need is the little seal that goes around the axle between the axle and the outer housing prior to putting on the hub. It Has a inner dia. around 1 inch and a flange about 1 1/4 inch B-4245 is drive shaft front seal B-1175 hub grease seal (bearing Race) B-1183 is hub seal according to cg ford parts I hope I am saying things right here The reason I said about sources nobody seems to sell what I am looking for Talked to guite a few Thanks again Gene
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| TomO | -- 05-25-2011 @ 8:14 AM |
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Here is a link to Yesteryear Ford Parts site. You can view their catalog on line. Page 17 shows the rear axle assembly with basic part numbers on it. See if you can find the P/N that you are looking for. http://www.yesteryearfordparts.com/catalogs.htm Tom
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| parrish | -- 05-26-2011 @ 7:05 AM |
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Are you referring to the attached photo?
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| Gene N. | -- 05-29-2011 @ 6:14 PM |
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Parrish YES that is what I need Any info where to get them will be great Thanks
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| 40 Coupe | -- 05-30-2011 @ 4:39 AM |
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B-4245 is the INNER seal for the axle to the axle housing. The same identical seal is used to seal the drive shaft. If you have a second seal on the outside of the axle housing to the axle it is not from Ford! A seal in this location, as pictured above, would prevent the grease zirk fitting on the 34 axle housing from being able to do it's job, that is to lubricate the rear wheel bearing. It appears the above pictured seal is an aftermarket, Non-Ford item used to quickly repair a leaking inner seal. To get to the inner seal it is necessary to remove the axle housing from the rear end, this is a bit of work, it is located about 4" inside the housing, from the seal pictured.
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| parrish | -- 05-30-2011 @ 6:59 AM |
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I had those after market seals on my 39 when I bought it and removed them. I believe the intent was to halt excess gear oil overflow.
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| supereal | -- 05-30-2011 @ 8:21 AM |
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The term "axle seals" usually indicates the fiber washers that go behind the axle nuts. The others are "housing seals" and require removing the axle to pull the housings, and s special puller/installer to get the seals in place. Most leakage results from overfilling the rear end. As oil makes its way down the torque tube from the transmission, it raises the level in the rear end. That is why oil usually drains from the filler hole when you check it. Always try to keep the level below the filler hole, and when checking, let the excess fully drain.
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| Gene N. | -- 05-30-2011 @ 9:54 AM |
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Thanks guys you are great now I know what they are I will try running the rear without them at the proper level of fuilds in both the tranny and the rear One last question does anyone know the after market guys that might sell them in case I do go that route some day instead of pulling the rear apart Thanks once again Gene
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| supereal | -- 05-30-2011 @ 4:18 PM |
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Gene: The part number for that seal is B-4245. C&G (800/266-0470) has them for about five bucks. They were used from '28 thru '48 in both Ford and Merc cars. If my memory is correct, it is the same seal that is used at the front of the torque tube.
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| JM | -- 05-30-2011 @ 7:07 PM |
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There are three B-4245 lip type oil seals in a closed drive EFV8 banjo rear. One in the bell end of the torque tube to keep oil from draining back into the driveshaft area from the universal joint housing. The other two are inside the ends of the axel housings near the wheel bearing journals to seal around the axels keeping oil from entering the wheel bearing and brake shoe/drum areas. The aftermarket seal that was mentioned was a quick fix to stop oil leakage if a B-4245 axel housing seal went bad and you did not want to take the rear completely apart to replace the seal. JM
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| JM | -- 05-30-2011 @ 7:26 PM |
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Gene N, you may be kidding yourself in not taking that rear apart and replacing all three of those B-4245 oil seals. If someone used those aftermarket oil seals at the ends of the axel housing bearing journals it was most likely because the B-4245 seals were bad/leaking. It might be like the old saying "pay me now or pay me later, but eventually you must pay me" JMHO JM This message was edited by JM on 5-30-11 @ 7:28 PM
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| Gene N. | -- 06-01-2011 @ 5:23 PM |
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JM Did not mean to mislead anyone here The rear will come apart and replace all seals,bearings etc. NOTHING goes back unless it is done RIGHT Gene
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| wmsteed | -- 06-02-2011 @ 9:14 AM |
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The outer axle seal that Parrish posted a picture of on 5/26, is the aftermarket seal that I have mentioned several times in various posting to the EFV8 Forum. This type of seal was made by many manufactures, one of which was National. The seals purpose was to eliminate the need to completely tare down a rear end to replace the inner axle seals. The seal was especially useful on the Columbia side of a Ford rear end. The design of the seal allowed some gear oil to pass by and into the wheel bearings. I have this type of replacement seals in the rear end of my '36 Ford w/Columbia.. I saved the boxes they came in for many years, eventually the boxes went away. Bill 36 5 win delx cpe
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| Maria | -- 03-28-2017 @ 1:53 AM |
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In fact you can order custom seals if you know the correct measurements. From these guys http://karas-seal.com, for example
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| 40 Coupe | -- 03-28-2017 @ 4:21 AM |
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I found these numbers listed and can not confirm if they are correct for the aftermarket seal: Aftermarket repair seals outside axle housing: National 6510S, Fel-Pro 14697, Trostel 36320, Chrysler T905
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| JM | -- 03-31-2017 @ 9:38 AM |
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These may be the seals you are looking for. There was a post on fordbarn that gave details and pn's on this and similar type seals John
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| JM | -- 03-31-2017 @ 9:40 AM |
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Delete John This message was edited by JM on 3-31-17 @ 9:41 AM
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| JM | -- 03-31-2017 @ 9:42 AM |
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Another picture which shows two different types. John This message was edited by JM on 3-31-17 @ 9:43 AM
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| JM | -- 03-31-2017 @ 9:54 AM |
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....and the last picture that I have. A good future update for this forum would be the ability to post more than one picture at a time John
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