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wrosenkrans
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-- 01-01-2011 @ 9:28 AM
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The seal on the rear oval window of our '42 Tudor Sedan is pretty well shot. The window itself is in good shape, but the rubber outer seal is very badly cracked and is certainly not watertight (evidenced by water marks on the package shelf).
I played a bit with the rubber to see how easily it might come out and its hard as a rock. Not wanting to risk breaking the window, I thought it better to seek advice. I also noticed in the current issue of the V-8 Times there is a response from Fred Killian in the Shop Talk section that there are installation instructions for the oval window.
Any and all help greatly appreciated.
Wayne & Barb
'42 Super De Luxe Tudor
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supereal
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-- 01-01-2011 @ 10:57 AM
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Replacing the rear window seal isn't a big deal, but requires two people to do it. Starting on the outside, use a sharp utility knife to cut down thru the old seal to the metal of the opening. You can then pull away the old seal from each side. Carefully examine the area around the opening to see how well the headliner is attached, and fix it, if required. Being sure you have the correct seal (some vendors are careless), place the seal around the glass, and insert a pull cord into the outer groove, leaving the ends long enough to pull. We use a strong nylon cord. After cleaning the area around the opening on the outside, put some lubricant into the seal groove. Ivory liquid dish soap is our choice. Set the window and seal into the opening from the inside, and work the lower lip into place. While your assistant holds the window into place, and exerts mild pressure, using the pull cord, lift the seal into place around the glass. It may take some persuasion, and we use an old screwdriver with a tip bent at a right angle for the purpose, being very careful not to pry against the glass. When the seal is in place all around the window, wipe the area clean, and inject some sealer under the rubber flange on the outside, pulling back a bit of the seal as you go. 3M makes a good one. We like to mask off the body around the window before adding the sealer to make cleanup easier. Just take your time, and you shouldn't have any problems.
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trjford8
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-- 01-01-2011 @ 2:29 PM
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In addition to Bob's great advice you will probably need to seal the rubber gasket against the glass. Water can "crawl" between the gasket and the glass and make it's way inside the car. Many of the gasket suppliers recommend sealing the gasket to the glass. I would do this before intalling the gasket and window into the car. Use a flexable sealant such as Napa Auto Parts black sealant, Part #4121. Once the window is in the car put masking tape all around the edge of the gasket as Bob suggests to eliminate a lot of cleanup. Seal the gasket all around the body opening and you should have a nice water tight seal. You can also buy a solvent that helps with the cleanup process.
This message was edited by trjford8 on 1-1-11 @ 5:10 PM
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wrosenkrans
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-- 01-02-2011 @ 7:40 AM
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Thanks very much for the information folks. Which supplier would you recommend for the seal, and is there a specific part number?
Wayne & Barb
'42 Super De Luxe Tudor
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trjford8
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-- 01-02-2011 @ 8:14 AM
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I try to use Drake rubber when possible. It is much more pliable than some of the others.There are two part numbers,11A-7042084(without the groove for the chrome trim) and 19A-7042084(with the groove for the chrome trim).
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supereal
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-- 01-02-2011 @ 10:44 AM
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Almost every seal we buy from any source was made by Dennis Carpenter. His items are top quality. Just be sure to double check that the absolute right one has been shipped. Being "close" doesn't count with these gaskets. We have run into this problem a time or two with windshield seals. Tom has given you the part numbers. If your window has the bright trim, be very careful in both removing and replacing it. The trim is hard to find, and expensive if you do. It goes on after the window is in place. Insert the trim into the seal by starting at the ends, working toward the middle. Rear windows usually join the ends of the trim with a clip, so be sure to keep track of it.
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Johns46coupe
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-- 01-02-2011 @ 4:12 PM
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My 46 Super Deluxe Coupe is supposed to have a stainless trim on the outside of the rear window. It currently doesn't have it but I acquired one and I have a new rubber seal for the window that is made for the stainless piece. How does the procedure differ in this case? Thanks
John
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oldford2
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-- 01-03-2011 @ 4:10 AM
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I always thought that the stainless trim on the rear window was only on Mercurys. Am I wrong? Does anyone reproduce it? Thanks John
This message was edited by oldford2 on 1-3-11 @ 4:11 AM
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supereal
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-- 01-03-2011 @ 9:36 AM
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There were trim strips used on both Ford and Mercs from '41 thru '48 on the Super Deluxe models. The plain ones carry the prefix 11A, the grooved type is 19A-7042084. I had a '46 sedan coupe with the trim, and was sometimes told "it has to be from a Mercury". It was an original car, so I believe it was stock. The scramble to turn out the '46s after the war was so great, you can find lots of different configurations. If interested, order the fine '41-'48 Club book.
This message was edited by supereal on 1-3-11 @ 10:26 AM
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Johns46coupe
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-- 01-03-2011 @ 12:43 PM
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Oldford2 - I have a friend who had two of them. He saw my car and said I should have one and gave it to me  I'll ask him if he wants to part with the other. Mine is in perfect condition. I don't have the clip super referred to but I think it shouldn't be too hard to make one.
John
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wrosenkrans
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-- 01-03-2011 @ 12:51 PM
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My '42 Ford Special De Luxe does not have the trim strip
Wayne & Barb
'42 Super De Luxe Tudor
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oldford2
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-- 01-03-2011 @ 1:31 PM
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John's46coupe,
I sent you a PM
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37RAGTOPMAN
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-- 01-03-2011 @ 4:03 PM
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WD 40 works real well in the clean up,
will not attack the paint,used in 100's of times.
hope this helps 37RAGTOPMAN and KEEP on FORDIN,,,,
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