| Garrison202 | -- 11-04-2021 @ 5:25 AM |
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Hello all, I am still trying to get my '36 Phaeton back on the road. I'm so close! One of the last fixes (one of the biggest) is the transmission. Just about everyone who's worked on the car and driven it around has told me it needs an overhaul. The gears really do seem to grind excessively and the shifting is anything but smooth. So I towed it to a large and very reputable transmission shop. After driving it around, they said that, back in the day, you would drive a transmission until it wore out, and that's what's happened to my car: it's worn out. He said they could overhaul it, but the next generation of these transmissions (1939) had "blocker rings" and this greatly reduced grinding and wear. Would I like him to find one of these superior transmissions and replace my '36 with a '39? Well the car is essentially a barn find and all original. That said, I'm not interested in showing the car as much as I am driving the car. I want it safe and easy for my family to use and enjoy for years and years to come. So I said: "Yes, let's find a '39." Does this make sense to you? As far as you know, was his logic correct and how would you choose to proceed? The other issue is, after a month, I'm towing it back to my garage because he was unable to find a replacement. He'll keep looking but, with winter coming, he needs to free up the space in the shop. Beyond EBay, does anyone have any tips on where to look for replacement transmissions? How difficult are these to find? Should I just have the '36 rebuilt? Thanks so much. When I finally get this back on the road, it will be entirely because of all your generous attention and expertise. All My Best, John
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| 37RAGTOPMAN | -- 11-04-2021 @ 7:34 AM |
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HI John do you belong to a local V8 FORD CHAPTER ? in the V8 TIMES, there are vendors that specialize in transmission, check it out the benifits of being a member is worth well the cost of membership it is not cheap to rebuild the transmission, knowing where you live might help. you might have a V8 member as a neighbor and not even know it, hope this helps 37Ragtopman Maine This message was edited by 37RAGTOPMAN on 11-4-21 @ 7:45 AM
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| CharlieStephens | -- 11-04-2021 @ 8:07 AM |
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You need to get to know this guy: http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/flathead_home.htm I would consider sending my whole transmission to him since he is familiar with them and the local guy is probably not. If you have it done locally he is a good source of parts for them to use. By the way, in general where are you located, you may be located close to a good transmission rebuilder. As usual, check him out here, on fordbarn.com and on HAMB (https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/forums/the-hokey-ass-message-board.5/). I think you will be happy with the results when you check him out. Charlie Stephens
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| TomO | -- 11-04-2021 @ 9:00 AM |
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You do not need to find a 1939 transmission to get the blocker type synchronizers. They will work with the 1936 gear set. I second the opinion of Charlie Stephens, send your transmission to Mac Van Pelt to have it rebuilt. Call and talk to him first as he can give you instructions on how to pack the transmission. You did not say where you live and it is not in your profile, so shipping from the west coast could be very high and there are a few shops on the west coast that can do the job. I do not know of any, but some one in your RG should know one. Tom
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| JM | -- 11-05-2021 @ 12:27 PM |
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TomO, with all due respect, the later brass blocker synchronizer rings will not work with the stock '36 gear set. The '36 cluster and reverse idler gears may work, but many of the other gears and other internal components will not. The input gear, synchronizer hub & collar, second/intermediate gear, first/reverse sliding gear, main shaft, and shifting forks are all different. What I normally do to put the better synchronizers in my '35 transmissions, is look for a good used '40 to '48 side shift, closed drive transmission and use that complete gear set in my '35-'36 transmission case, and a '39 style shifter top with 3" wide 2nd/3rd shifter fork. This will basically give you a cloned '39 transmission. *PS, another reason I like putting the later, better synchronized gears in the original '35-'36 case, is to retain the serial number on the transmission that matches the serial #'s on the frame. John This message was edited by JM on 11-5-21 @ 7:18 PM
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| 42wagon | -- 11-06-2021 @ 3:25 AM |
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One other question - and its a big one. What year did Ford go from the shift lever on the floor to the one on the steering column?
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| JTHOMPSON | -- 11-06-2021 @ 5:10 AM |
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1940 was the first year for the column shift.
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| 40 Coupe | -- 11-06-2021 @ 5:39 AM |
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Ford made many changes to the car over the years from 36 to 39. There is nothing wrong with a 36 transmission for a 36 car. A properly rebuilt 36 transmission should last a long time, without gear grinding between 2 to 3 or back. Yes the 39 transmission is slightly stronger and the syncro is better than the 36 but that is expected. If your dead set on a 39 ask Mac VanPelt if he has a rebuilt he can sell you outright. You will also need the shift mech and the lever. Do let him know what your are doing.
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| TomO | -- 11-06-2021 @ 8:45 AM |
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John, thank you for correcting my post. You are absolutely correct, the complete gear set from a later transmission must be used to use the blocker type synchronizers. 40Coupe is also correct about the the 1936 Transmission being able to be restored to work correctly without clashing gears. There are many Fords on the road that have the YOM gear sets and happy owners. After reading my post on this topic, I should have stayed in bed. The squirrels in my head must have been running backwards. Tom
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