| Dream38v8 | -- 05-10-2021 @ 6:29 AM |
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In replacing the hubcap on my '38 I noticed one of the retaining clips had broken off. See attached picture. In reviewing the picture I discovered the broken clip is painted. If it had recently snapped I would guess I would see bare metal where the clip broke. The first time I replaced the hubcap it was easy to remove by hand. When I replaced it again it was very difficult to remove even with a hubcap removal tool. I do not want to lose this hubcap. My question is should I attempt to replace this clip? This seems like a lot of work. Could I add some form of adhesive to the wheel and hubcap in the area of this missing clip? This could assist in retaining the hubcap. Should I leave the wheel as is as the hubcap has not come off in the last five years? Looking for advise from the experts. Since I aquired my '38 I have received great advise and assistance from this Forum. Thanks, Best Regards and stay healthy! Ray
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| 37RAGTOPMAN | -- 05-10-2021 @ 7:24 AM |
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HI I would replace the clip, I used wide five VW clips on few of my wheel's you might have to make a special tool to peen the rivet you might be able to find new source in todays market for the clip these clips are spring steel and usually were black , also what size are the lug nuts, 13/16 ? LOOK smaller in the photo's are the lug holes worn ? my 2 cents 37Ragtopman
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| Dream38v8 | -- 05-10-2021 @ 7:34 AM |
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Lugnuts = 13/16" and lug holes are not worn Ray
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| 51504bat | -- 05-10-2021 @ 7:41 AM |
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Drake lists them and per the web site they are in stock. https://bobdrake.com/collections/hub-cap/products/1936-39-car-pu-1939-47-com-wheel-spider-clips ______________ No signature
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| trjford8 | -- 05-10-2021 @ 7:42 AM |
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For the clip check with Michael Driskell at "Ford Bolts" and "Little Dearborn Parts". both are listed in the Vendors section on this site. Also check with parts dealers who have early Volkswagen parts. Buy more that one just in case another may break. You can get rivets to put it back on at your local Ace Hardware. A small screw with a nut will also hold it on if you do not want to use a rivet.
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| nelsb01 | -- 05-10-2021 @ 11:50 AM |
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Third Gen Automotive (Michael Driskell) does have them--- saw them when I was there 2 weeks ago.
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| G Tosel | -- 05-11-2021 @ 3:27 PM |
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I removed the old clip from the back side by grinding the rivet flush with the wheel and then used a punch to remove the rivet. Then I used the old rivet by pounding it into the wheel with a new clip and then used my wire feed welder to secure the old rivet.
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| Dream38v8 | -- 05-14-2021 @ 1:27 PM |
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I received my new clips and rivets from Third Gen Auto. I have the wheel off. During my examination of the old rivet I noticed it is ground even with the wheel. I can drill and or punch the old rivet out. My initial thought was to replace the rivet with a #8 screw and nut. The inside end of the rivet is flush with the wheel so a screw and nut will not work. Additionally I do not have access to a welder. Any ideas? Would the remaining 4 clips secure the hub cap? In my inspection, of the broken clip, I noticed the broken end was painted over (no bare metal). Hence was the hub cap retained by 4 clips for the 5 years I have owned my '38? Thanks in advance for you assistance. Ray
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| nelsb01 | -- 05-14-2021 @ 5:54 PM |
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There is fake rivets out there --- and maybe those will work. The rivet head and a bolt or screw from the back side. So, you wont need a welder........
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| Dream38v8 | -- 05-15-2021 @ 3:11 AM |
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I checked out fake rivets and all I could locate were made of plastic. The backside is the issue as the wheel fits flush against the brake drum. Thanks for the idea. Ray
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| TomO | -- 05-15-2021 @ 8:24 AM |
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You can buy hand tools to set the rivet. https://www.hansonrivet.com/tools-machines/solid-rivet-tools-machines/hand-rivet-clinchers/ https://www.tannerbolt.com/products/FASTENERS/RIVETS-RIVET-NUTS-AND-RIVET-TOOLS/RIVET-TOOLS/MANUAL-RIVET-TOOLS.aspx Buy steel tubular rivets and the tool to set them. Tom
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| Dream38v8 | -- 05-21-2021 @ 7:05 AM |
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I was able to drill out the old rivet. Next the broken retaining clip was replaced with the new one from Third gen Auto. I was able to set the rivet with the assistance of another "old" car guy. I replaced the hubcap and went for a test drive. The hubcap stayed on. A side note. Yesterday when rearranging and cleaning the trunk I removed the spare to check air pressure. The spare wheel is perfect with all five retaining clips. I could have swapped wheels and saved myself all the drama. Alls well the ends well. Ray
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| trjford8 | -- 05-21-2021 @ 7:13 AM |
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Just think your discovery of the spare wheel with all good clips and posting here will remind many to check the spare first!
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