I wanted to introduce myself as a new registered member of the club. A little bio, I am 31 years old and am an enthusiast of all things 1930’s. I specialize in pre-WWII tube radio and record changer restoration, having over 12 years’ experience in this field servicing all 1930’s radio makes and models including car radios. I use a special 6V power supply to test each application will under restoration.
I have lightly dabbled in the past with 1950’s cars; my true passion has always been the mid to late 1930’s automobiles. I was always fascinated with Henry Ford’s flathead V8. In my opinion it was a revolutionary engine for the 1930’s time period; no other manufacture produced a V8 on a mass production level. Very few auto companies offered V8 engines to the customer aside from the niche market of 1930’s Cadillac that I know of.
This message was edited by Ketronj281989 on 7-31-20 @ 4:57 AM
I want to preserve this car in its original state as much as possible. I will not deviate from factory specification and will remain with factory re-production parts as needed. I value history as a whole; I view this car as a rare original specimen that is not often seen these days. I am an enthusiast, although still learning. I may ask plenty of questions, please bear with me! Such a great website, I look forward to becoming more involved with the club as soon as the pandemic subsides for all of us.
Pictures shown in both posts are of the car I purchased. Picture with previous owner (wearing cowboy hat) shown as is the car in his garage prior to my purchase, I am the guy on the right with the turquoise button shirt!
Picture of the car on trailer with me and another fellow in grey shirt: I couldn't of done this without my friend's help and his truck/trailer. He collect's 1950's Chrysler products.
Jon Ketron
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I am still relatively new to the early Ford V8, there may be several items within the videos I am incorrect in stating. Still learning and grasping regarding early Ford's as well as those specifics of the 1936 year model 68 car. Please correct me where I am wrong.
Video of exterior of car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2r3butdXZY
Video of interior of car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNBAVuo4eJs
Jon
This message was edited by Ketronj281989 on 7-31-20 @ 5:20 AM
The Club has a good book on the 35-36 Ford. It is meant to be a restoration guide, but it will help you in determining what is correct on your car.
If your car has not been filled with fresh fuel in the past year, I would drain the tank and fill it with fresh fuel. I would also add a fuel stabilizer in proportion to the amount of fuel that you add to the tank. I would also drive the car each year before storage to get most of the fuel out of the tank and then fill it with fresh fuel and stabilizer.
This is probably the best place to get answers to any questions that you may have, so keep in touch.
Tom
Neat '36... good for you!
Mike "Kube" Kubarth
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Frank
Its really nice to see a young guy join the club, a young guy who appreciates these cars, history, and originality. And your knowledge of electronics will be useful, as these old cars do have their electrical gremlins.
You have made a great find in that car. It should give you several years of enjoyment as you work thru the various minor issues. Take your time and enjoy the journey.
Thank you for the welcome, I am looking forward to becoming more involved here on the forum as well within the club.
Jon
Thank you for the welcome and thank you for the advise on the gasoline issue. I have a local gas station which supplies a separate standalone pump offering non ethanol 87 octane 100% pure gas. I immediately switched to this type of fuel upon receipt of the car to prevent the many possible issues ethanol could potentially create. I will look into a stabilizer to add during the winter months. Perhaps Stabil would be a good solution?
Thanks for your comments and suggestions,
Jon
Thank you for the welcome. I am excited to be a new member of this club. I had known about it for several years, just hadn't found the right car until now!
I had seen your post on the "Ford Barn". Thank you for that! I figured that site would also be a good resource regarding getting to know even more enthusiast.
Jon
My main expertise in the vintage radio world are circuits designed before WWII. While I have worked on Television circuits from the late 40's to early 50's as well as radio's from that time period, my main passion is the 1930's tube technology. I service all customer sets with a full array of calibrated laboratory grade Hewlett Packard test equipment. Picture of my bench attached. I have serviced the simplest tuned radio frequency circuits of the 1920's to the largest Super heterodynes of the 1930's employing multiple tube chassis with as many as 27 radio tubes in a single radio set. Such specialized service of the 1930's circuits is becoming quite a rare offering to see these days. I have had several old time mentor's whom were kind enough to teach me the many avenues of tube radio technology. Thank you for sharing your fathers as well as your electronic experiences, they were an interesting read.
Jon
Thank you for the welcome and thanks for the comments regarding the videos. Many more to come as I dig deeper into this car. I have also posted several electrical videos regarding the car, which I will be updating soon.
Jon
Thank you for the kind words. I share a great passion for preserving these old cars just as you all do as well.
This will indeed be a fun journey and a great learning experience.
Jon
Thank you. I too find the styling of the 36 quite attractive. 1934 styling included, I find the 35 and 36 year body styles quite intriguing. I am a mechanical person, so the mechanical advancements that arrived with the 1936 model year make it my preferred choice in pre-war Ford's. The transition from Babbitt to insert bearings, a full array of helical gears in the transmission (first for this year), and many more mechanical improvements led me to favor the 1936 year, very satisfied with my recent purchase. I have been diving deep into the club's books recently purchased and have since purchased a large array of original and reproduction literature regarding the 1936 model year 68 car. I look forward to learning more. These books are a great read!
Jon
Might I add the fuel pump appears to be a later post war example with sediment bowl. Please correct me if I am wrong on this.
Thanks
Jon
This message was edited by Ketronj281989 on 8-1-20 @ 5:40 AM
Did you order the 35 - 36 book yet?
The fuel pump is 1947+ as you'd figured it to be.
The cylinder heads should be aluminum and if I am seeing properly, it appears the car is sporting a later ('37 - '41) distributor and coil.
What carb is on there? Should be a 97.
If your aim is to bring this back to its authentic self, I am confident you'll find great sources of aid on this site for advice and parts.
Enjoy!
Mike "Kube" Kubarth
Stabil Storage and Stabil 360 are good at keeping the fuel fresh for about 1 year. After that it is like throwing the dice as to the condition of the fuel.
The hose from the fuel pump should go as soon as possible. the one from the tank line to the fuel pump should also be replaced. They are sources of future problems. I am against any rubber hose on the pressure side of the fuel pump in the engine compartment. If it splits, you have a nice source of fuel for a fire.
The Club has a Rouge Class that honors original cars. Yours may be eligible for that category, but you will have to be careful with any changes that you make. Read the Club's book so that you know what is correct and incorrect on your car. You may also be interested in the jump drive with back issues of the V-8 Times. There are many interesting articles in there and the Advisers have given a lot of guidance in their section.
Read the guidelines for Judging the classes here:
https://www.earlyfordv8.org/images/userImages/2016%20EFV8C%20JUDGING%20RULES.pdf
Join a Regional Group near where you live and plan to drive the car.
Tom
I have the 35-36 club book in hand and have review all chapters up to the interior/upholstery. So far, great stuff. I look forward to reading more. I have not arrived most of the mechanical parts section as of yet. Thank you for recommending this book. It has proved to be an eye opener source of information, what a great book.
Thank you for verification on the fuel pump. When the car was removed from storage several years ago, the pump may had been replaced and old one discarded. If not, the current pump may have been on the car since sometime prior to it's "into storage date". The trunk is full of spare parts. I need to look to see if the original is still with the car.
I too have been scratching my head on the cylinder heads. I had read those 1936 year heads were still manufactured as aluminum. Ford did offer cast replacements due to the issues with aluminum heads. If these heads were replaced, it was at least over 50+ years ago I would think as the patina of everything matches up just right. Perhaps they could have been replaced shortly after purchased back in 1936 by a dealership or at first dealership servicing? Could cast heads be a special order item in 1936? This indeed will need to be looked over further as I move thru the servicing of the car.
To my recollection, the carb has a stamped "97" with circle around it. A Ford script stamped logo also resides on the body of the carburetor. It appears to be a Stromberg carb as what would have been factory. I can post close-up pictures if interested.
You bring up an interesting comment regarding the distributor and coil. The previous owner stated the distributor and coil burned up upon first start-up out of 30+ year storage. It was stated the "mechanic" replaced the distributor and coil with a factory Ford replacement after the original burnt. I really appreciate you pointing this out. I will need to change these two items back to the stock 1936 year manufactured parts. I don't know enough about the distributors yet to differentiate, more reading to come!
It is indeed my aim to bring this machine back to it's authentic self, I think we are at least already half way there thanks to the current state and condition of the car! I eventually want to go thru every detail to make this car as re-1936 authentic as possible. At the same time though, those previously replaced parts add to the car's overall history. Kind of torn on this idea as to what to do.
Thanks,
Jon
Thanks for the further info regarding gasoline storage. Thank you for your recommendation on fuel hoses. I need to look at a 1936 stock set up to determine how to proceed, I agree they need to be changed. Would a brass line come off the firewall area where the main tank line runs to? I have seen restored cars with a brass line between carb and pump, is this the same set up for 1936? What type of line should be between the main tank line to input of fuel pump? I would think this line would need to be flexible as the engine labors at different R.P.M's creating vibration and torque movement.
I read the entire 2016 guideline packet, paying special attention to the Rouge class as you mentioned. This class will be one to look into once the car is back on the road and worthy of daily operation. The goal would be to eventually show the car at club events in this class.
Jon
Thanks for your reply and welcome. I just sent you an email regarding your inquiry.
Jon
The correct fuel line from the fuel pump to the carburetor is a steel line that is copper coated. Third Gen Auto may still have the correct line, but most other vendors have switched to another line that rusts very quickly. The line from the tank line to the fuel pump is a flex line and Third Gen has those.
https://thirdgenauto.com/product/1935-38-ford-copper-plated-steel-pre-bent-fuel-line-carb-to-fuel-pump/
I believe that the carburetor on your car is a Ford model 94. The Stromberg 97 was never made by Ford according to my sources, but Ford did make its own version of the Holley 94.
The Rouge Class cars are not point judged, but are inspected for ORIGINAL paint, upholstery, trim, wiring and mechanical components.
Tom
Thanks for the information. I went ahead and ordered both lines from Third Gen Auto just now. I am glad you mentioned the carb, I was incorrect regarding the model. No Stromberg present. The carb currently on the car is a Ford stamped 59 with a circle around the 59, pictures attached. I don't know much about the model 59. Do you know when this carb was used by Ford?
Thanks for the Rouge Class information. I am going to do my very best to leave the car as original as possible as I continue to service it.
Jon
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Tom
Appreciate your help.
Jon
Thank you for the suggestion. I will be sure to pursue this item. I am eager to research and learn more regarding the 1936 year car.
Jon
This message was edited by Ketronj281989 on 8-6-20 @ 5:00 AM