| coupeman | -- 07-27-2019 @ 4:47 PM |
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What do I need to install a 1950 Mercury rebuilt flathead I my 48 Ford coupe( not a show car) daily driver?
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| CharlieStephens | -- 07-27-2019 @ 9:53 PM |
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Be sure to ask your question on HAMB (https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/forums/the-hokey-ass-message-board.5/) and FordBarn (https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=4). Check the archives at those places first. It can be done but there are a few tricks that will make your life easier. Charlie Stephens This message was edited by CharlieStephens on 7-27-19 @ 9:55 PM
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| coupeman | -- 07-28-2019 @ 10:00 AM |
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I guess I went to the wrong site for this kind of question, Early Ford is just for show and pristine original Fords, am I wrong?
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| nelsb01 | -- 07-28-2019 @ 10:58 AM |
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I would hope not. There are so many people that use both sites --- you can get the correct answer here, or go to the other and listen to others. I am sure Charlie was just trying to get you the quickest answer.
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| CharlieStephens | -- 07-28-2019 @ 12:42 PM |
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coupeman, I think you read something into my answer that was definitely not intended. I didn’t intend to say, “go away you don’t belong here” but rather I was trying to be helpful by suggesting other sites that might have more information. And no, I don’t think this site is for show and pristine original Fords. I don't remember the details but remember reading the answer to your exact question on one or both of the sites I referenced. Charlie Stephens This message was edited by CharlieStephens on 7-28-19 @ 3:26 PM
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| coupeman | -- 07-28-2019 @ 1:12 PM |
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I went to those sites without clarity on what takes to do this swap before coming to Early Ford. I thought here I could get some answers from the guys who have been around a lot longer and experienced more than most of us. Thanks for time
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| nelsb01 | -- 07-28-2019 @ 2:17 PM |
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I am sure that you will get the answers, or what to do from people on this site. It is summer, and at least for me, this is the time that I can get out and drive my wonderful Ford V-8. I think that when the weekend is over, you will get some responses.
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| therunwaybehind | -- 07-28-2019 @ 2:23 PM |
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I have a photo of an 8BA in a 1940 Ford. You are thinking 8CM. As you can see he installed an alternator instead of a generator. After I had talked to him for a while and commented on the 1939 center shift he had installed based on the long stick out of the floor and no column shift he said, "It has a Mustang transmission. I only clamped that on to the stub of the shifter to look authentic! I'm sorry, therefore, I have no images of the underside or guidance there. I also found this with search on this site. https://www.earlyfordv8.org/forum/printthread.cfm?Forum=18&Topic=10205 This message was edited by therunwaybehind on 7-28-19 @ 2:37 PM
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| TomO | -- 07-29-2019 @ 8:07 AM |
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It would help if you explained what is not clear to you. The essentials are the trans adapter, 8RT prefix truck water pumps and probably a modified fan to bring the fan within 3/4" of the radiator. The 48 exhaust should work, you will need to extend the wire from the ignition switch to the coil and probably a few other details. Tom
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| trjford8 | -- 07-30-2019 @ 8:39 AM |
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In answer to your question you will need to use the later pickup water pumps( F-1 pumps) and the 48-52 pickup 3 speed bell housing. Your transmission will bolt to this bell housing. You will find the bell housing comes in two types. One is cast steel and the other is stamped steel. Either one will work and be sure to get the matching starter mounting plate. You will also find that the upper water necks on the later motor are smaller diameter than the necks on your radiator. You will need to buy some aftermarket necks (I think Speedway Motors has them) so you can use hoses that match your radiator necks. The alternative is to have a radiator shop put smaller top necks on your radiator. The bottom radiator necks will be the same size as the later F-1 water pumps. Just for info there are two different fan belt widths(wide belt and narrow belt) on the F-1 truck water pumps. Make sure you get the pumps that match the crank pulley. This info should get you started and come back here for more questions. In addition to this information you do need to use the later pickup/truck oil pan to clear the draglink and tie rod in the '48 ford. This message was edited by trjford8 on 7-31-19 @ 8:16 AM
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| CharlieStephens | -- 07-30-2019 @ 1:02 PM |
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trjford8, Is there more to the story? I ask this from the position of someone with little knowledge or hands on experience. Isn't the engine too long such that it will require something to shorten it? I thought I remembered people having to use the pre '48 parts on the front of the later engine? Charlie Stephens
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| trjford8 | -- 07-31-2019 @ 8:14 AM |
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Charlie, to my knowledge there is nothing on the 8BA style motor that interferes or needs to be shortened to install it in a '48 Ford. Actually the later motor may be a little shorter as it does not use the front mount distributor. After reading my response I do need to add some information regarding the oil pans. For the early Fords you do need to use the pickup/truck oil pan.
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| wmsteed | -- 08-01-2019 @ 11:16 AM |
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A 8BA/8CM engine into a '48 or earlier vehicle is a very simple application. I believe that it has been stated in earlier postings that truck or 49/50 Merc water-pumps have to be used with the 3 spd truck or Merc bell-housings. One thing that most people overlook is the 49-50 Merc motor mount spacers under the water-pumps. I have attached a pix showing an 8BA engine in my friends 37 Ford, note the motor mount spacers. Bill 36 5 win delx cpe
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| TomO | -- 08-02-2019 @ 4:49 PM |
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Those spacers are not needed with the 8RT prefix pumps. Tom
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| 1936TWC | -- 11-12-2019 @ 12:42 PM |
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I am preparing to install a 8BA into a 1934 Ford Victoria. Will it be possible to keep mechanical fan? If not, what would possible electric fans options be? Thanks.
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| trjford8 | -- 11-13-2019 @ 7:05 AM |
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I saw this done many years ago in a '34 and I believe you can keep the mechanical fan by using the stock generator.
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