| 1937sedandelivery | -- 05-13-2017 @ 12:45 PM |
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Hello, I feel like I am beating a dead horse, but things still don't jive. I am restoring my 37 to original mechanical brakes. I have exchanged mails and talked to several folks but remain confused and need help, please. Apparently the Green Book is incorrect, but the V8 37 Ford book is incorrect also. The two smaller springs, 78-2296 and 78-2034 are red and black, respectively. This looks to be consistent with everyone, no issue there. However, the confusion lies with the two larger springs, 78-2297 and 78-2035. I recently purchased a set of NOS 78-2297-B springs and they are orange. I believed these to be correct until I looked in the V8 Ford book, page 4-18, and firstly, the part number is shown as 78-2097 (should be 78-2297 right?) and secondly it is green. I believe both of these to be wrong, but heck, I just don't know. Can someone please clarify the details associated with the orange and green springs? I would love to see consensus from multiple folks before I finish assembling the brakes. Thank you very much, Gregg
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| MG | -- 05-13-2017 @ 1:12 PM |
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Right Front
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| MG | -- 05-13-2017 @ 1:14 PM |
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Right Rear
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| MG | -- 05-13-2017 @ 1:41 PM |
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Be sure to install the shoes and springs correctly. The secondary shoe is always the shoe closest to the brake cable, both front and rear. The primary shoe springs are orange and red. The secondary shoe springs are green and black....
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| 1937sedandelivery | -- 05-13-2017 @ 3:13 PM |
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Thanks MG. Can you tell me what the corresponding part numbers are? Gregg
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| MG | -- 05-13-2017 @ 4:24 PM |
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I'll have to go through my library and try to find that information for you.... So far, I found the following: 78-2034 - Red 78-2035-C - Green 78-2296-A - Black 78-2296-B - Orange This message was edited by MG on 5-13-17 @ 4:49 PM
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| 1937sedandelivery | -- 05-13-2017 @ 9:31 PM |
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If you could please confirm this it would be great. The p/n's you list are completely inconsistent with what the "The 1937 Ford Book" states on page 4-18. We really need to get this cleaned up, IMO. Is there someone from the V-8 Club that can weigh in on this? Thanks, Gregg
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| MG | -- 05-13-2017 @ 10:18 PM |
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CHASSIS PARTS LIST BOOK - 1937 Pages 7 & 9 What you mean "we", white eyes??? :o) Why is this sooo important to you? 'The 1937 Ford Book' is not infallible..... This message was edited by MG on 5-13-17 @ 10:54 PM
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| MG | -- 05-13-2017 @ 10:35 PM |
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Page 7 - After clicking on the scanned jpg below, click on the displayed jpg image to enlarge it and then scroll.... This message was edited by MG on 5-13-17 @ 11:29 PM
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| MG | -- 05-13-2017 @ 10:36 PM |
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| 40 Coupe | -- 05-14-2017 @ 9:46 AM |
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Just to muddy the water a bit. It may help to understand the Ford part numbering system. The prefix usually identifies the year and model of the vehicle the part was first used on. The series of numbers following the prefix dash (-) are the BASIC part number for the part. The letter following the dash after the part number is USUALLY a indication the part was modified from the original part (no suffix letter). It would be very unusual for Ford to use the same basic part number for two completely different parts (although it was done). I believe that in early 37 the part numbers 78-2296-A & -B was correct for the two different springs in Black and an Orange color. It appears Ford decided to make the parts numbers unique and changed the part number for the orange spring from 78-2296-B to 78-2297-B. The 1949 Chassis Parts Book appears to then be correct. There does seem to be a error in the 37 restoration book on p.4-18. Top to bottom the springs should have a basic part number of 2034, 2296, 2297 & 2035 on the bottom. The 38-39 restoration book list a change to spring 78-2035-C with 36# pull was changed to 78-2035-D with a 66# pull. I am sorry to have I mislead you in our previous communication.
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| 1937sedandelivery | -- 05-14-2017 @ 10:13 AM |
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I do appreciate the time you are taking to dig this stuff out. When I bought the 37 Ford Book it seemed like "gold", a really good "go to" book. I am trying to make my restoration 100% accurate and complete, probably won't meet 100%, but hope to get close. The book indeed is infallible, there are a number of incorrect part numbers in it. Knowing that now I will do due diligence to double check things. It would be nice if the authors kept track of errors that people identify and publish an errata list every so often. Anyway, that is just me (as opposed to "we"). For the brakes, in particular, there is lots of discussion about how important it is to get the correct springs in the correct locations, else they will pull. So I am being picky to make sure I get everything correct. The Chassis Parts List you show looks like a good (Ford) source of information to trust. I will go with that, thanks again. gregg
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| MG | -- 05-14-2017 @ 11:23 AM |
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"The book indeed is infallible" - You must mean, ISN'T 'infallible'. The 'book' IS 'fallible'.... This message was edited by MG on 5-14-17 @ 1:12 PM
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| 1937sedandelivery | -- 05-14-2017 @ 12:44 PM |
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Right on MG. I include myself as being fallible also.
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| 1937sedandelivery | -- 05-14-2017 @ 12:49 PM |
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Thanks 40Coupe. I am coming up the learning curve of car restoration. Once I get all the correct springs, I will take some pics of them (similar to what you sent me) and also pics of the assembled backing plate, and post them here. gregg
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| 1937sedandelivery | -- 06-05-2017 @ 11:19 AM |
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Payback! Thanks for everyone's help in getting the correct information on my brakes. The brakes are all installed with correct springs, etc. Thought it would be appropriate to give back to the Forum. Please find attached a couple pictures of the backing plate and spring details. Am still documenting the overall complete braking system set of parts, with similar details. If anyone is interested in other details, e.g. brake/clutch pedal assembly & brake cross shaft, let me know and I would be happy to put something together. Gregg
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| MG | -- 06-05-2017 @ 11:50 AM |
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That's an excellent, detailed, layout Gregg! Thanks! This message was edited by MG on 6-5-17 @ 12:44 PM
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