| DaleT | -- 02-01-2017 @ 12:11 PM |
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Can rear fenders for a woody be used on a Sportsman or sedan delivery.
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| Stroker | -- 02-01-2017 @ 2:38 PM |
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Dale: "Woodie" fenders are attached by attaching them with wood lags that are threaded into the underside of the lower rear wooden arch that forms the fender cut-out. "Woodie" fenders are also "dead-flat" at that attachment point. In other words, if you lay the fender down on the floor, it has no curve on the backside where the attachment holes are punched. The Sportsman has a slight taper to the rear of the body, and the fenders also "follow" that curve. I'm not sure about the Model 79A-78A Sedan Deliveries, but since they have NO wood to fasten the fender to, it wouldn't just be a "bolt-on". Perhaps someone who has more experience with Sedan Deliveries of this vintage can expand a bit. This message was edited by Stroker on 2-1-17 @ 2:42 PM
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| DaleT | -- 02-01-2017 @ 2:43 PM |
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Thanks for the reply...
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| SoCalStu | -- 02-01-2017 @ 4:58 PM |
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Hi Dale, I have a 46 Sedan Delivery and purchased NOS rear fenders, I was told at the time that the rear fenders would fit only the Sportsman or Sedan Delivery. I am in San Diego if you need to see/try them. Stu
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| woodiewagon46 | -- 02-01-2017 @ 4:59 PM |
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Stroker, I'm not sure what "Woodies" you are referring to, but the rear fenders on my '46 Ford attach to the inner rear wheel wells and they are female threads that accept machine bolts. These rot out because they are sandwiched between the wood rear fender arch and are very hard to remove. Perhaps yours were rotted out and someone used wood lags.
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| Stroker | -- 02-01-2017 @ 5:58 PM |
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Woodiewagon46: I was "speculating" regarding 41-48. attachment hardware as I've never had the rear fenders off of a "fat-fender". I only have worked on my 38 Wagons, and the ones I'm familiar with have the fenders secured directly into the wood with what I can only describe as a lag/stud fastener which has wood threads on one end, and a hex nut/lockwasher/fender washer on the other. This particular Wagon is a "one-family" vehicle that was purchased new in 38 by my Father. We've owned it continuously since new. I HAVE had the rear fenders off in order to repaint them and install new welting, but I've never removed the "studs" that are threaded into the bottom of the fender arch wooden framing members. I have pulled these studs out of a "donor" wagon back in the early 60's, and (if memory serves me correctly after a half Century), that is what I recall seeing. As you have pointed-out, the attachment also passes through the inner fender panels in the rear cargo space. Below is a photo of a friends 38 Wagon that is currently undergoing restoration. You can see the "attachment interface" at the top of the rear fenders just below the ONLY remaining piece of wood in the arch. The fenders are supported by the stud that passes through the fender from the bottom side, through the inner fender, and the wood structure above. This gentleman has his work cut out for him, but he is a woodworker by vocation and has constructed several award-winning Station Wagons. Like Doug Carr, he can make wood from patterns on his CNC. He recently re-varnished my Wagon at his shop (see next post) This message was edited by Stroker on 2-1-17 @ 6:22 PM
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| Stroker | -- 02-01-2017 @ 6:01 PM |
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Here's my 38 showing the rear fender/wood interface. Yes folks, I KNOW the "Phantom" right-hand tail light is incorrect. I installed that years ago, so I could have a way of signaling a turn; given that today's drivers no longer understand my flapping left arm. I also use my amber fog lights for "front turn signals".. This message was edited by Stroker on 2-1-17 @ 6:32 PM
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| 42wagon | -- 02-02-2017 @ 4:15 AM |
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The initial question here was "could 42 -46 wagon fenders be used on a sedan delivery or sportsman. The answer is no. Sportsmen "borrowed" sedan delivery fenders. They do not match wagon fenders. The 42-46 wagon fenders do bolt to the metal wheel houses and there are threaded fasteners in the wheelhouse. There are recesses in the wood framing to accept the upper ends of the bolts. In the case of my car the flanges on the wheelhouses had completely rusted away, but not the tops of the fenders that were separated from them by the welting. I had to weld new flanges on the wheel houses before putting the fenders back.
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| johnh6813 | -- 02-04-2017 @ 6:34 PM |
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No the fenders used for the sport and SD are a different shape .They are thinner than the woodie also the SD,fender does not have a gas door opening as it is in the quarter on the SD.
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| trjford8 | -- 02-05-2017 @ 8:49 AM |
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Stroker, those threaded sleeves that go into the wood for the fender bolts are called "T" nuts. Some are held in place by "spikes' on the flange of the rim and others held in place by small drive nails that are driven in around the edge of the flange. They were usually found in the driver's floorboard to hold the gas pedal hinge.
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| Stroker | -- 02-06-2017 @ 2:25 PM |
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trjford8: I'm aware of the "nomenclature" regarding Tee Nuts, as all "real wood" Ford Wagons have dozen's of them holding the wood parts together. What I was unsure of is how a 41-48 Wagon's rear fenders were secured to the body structure. Obviously, there is a "difference" in that method between how these late-model fat-fender Fords attach compared to previous years. Thank You for clarifying that.
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| woodiewagon46 | -- 02-06-2017 @ 2:33 PM |
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I repaired the rotted out threaded areas around the wheelhouse with "steel narrow base weld nuts". They look like they were made for this job. They are available from McMaster-Carr for about $10.00 for 50..
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