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bkewin
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-- 02-17-2012 @ 1:02 PM
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The guy who was handling the sale for the little old lady came within an inch of getting the tail end creamed by a new f150 as he backed it out of the garage.
Other than a slight little bit of steering lash, she tracks along nicely and is pretty good in light traffic. I locked em up once when a yellow light surprised me but she slid straight. no pulling this time.
I think I'm in love. I'll pull the drums off tomorrow
and look thing s over. Is there a rule for how much space to leave between the drums and the pads when adjusting? I'll pick up a brake spoon tomorrow, though I'm starting to think it doesn't need anything right now.
Bill
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carwalls
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-- 02-17-2012 @ 4:31 PM
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I noticed your 53 F100, looks like a very original truck, I'm sure you will enjoy it for a long time! I've been working on a 53 F100 panel that is all original with the flathead V8 and I am reassembling it after last running in 1985. I have all the old motormounts, after reassembling the engine and installing it in the truck I am finding that the fan is located too high and slightly off center of the original radiator shroud. I saw your picture of the engine and am looking for some help determining why the alignment is off. I dreally don't want to cut the shroud, I have checked belts, seem to be the correct ones, the large one even has the Ford number on it. I attached a picture of the engine as if looked when I first brought it home. Any help from others familiar with the 53 F100 Flatheads would be very appreciated.
This message was edited by carwalls on 2-17-12 @ 4:36 PM
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bkewin
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-- 02-17-2012 @ 5:18 PM
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that motor looks very original. Are those EAB heads?
Friend I'll be happy to take whatever measurements you think might help you out. gotta love a panel truck. I guess she'll do 65 all day even with these 3.92 gears.
Bill
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supereal
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-- 02-17-2012 @ 8:28 PM
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Chances are either the radiator is not stock and/or the radiator mount is not in place, perhaps because of bent frame horns.
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trjford8
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-- 02-17-2012 @ 8:33 PM
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The fan bolts to the generator bracket. Make sure the gnerator is sitting squarely on the intake manifold. The generator bracket sits down in a recess of the front of the manifold. Make sure nothing is broken on the front of the manifold that would allow the generator to be out of alignment.The fan bracket can be adjusted up or down, but also must sit squarely against the bracket for the generator.
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carwalls
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-- 02-18-2012 @ 7:39 AM
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Thanks for the response, The heads are marked 8RT. This engine was in this truck and running back in 85. The previuos owner removed the engine, radiator, transmission, and had the shortblock rebuilt. I was able to find all the parts and clean and reassemble. The radiator, shroud, transmision, clutch assembly, and all engine accessories are original. Even the motor mounts. I had to pull the large fan belt off the crank pulley (rusted in place). I've checked the rear mounts although they are cracked and somewhat squished they do not appear to be lowering the rear (I thought that if too low they would raise the front). The intake to generator mounting is not worn and looks square and the same with the fan bracket. The front motor mount was shown in the first picture I sent, it mounts to the front of the block in one spot with the 4 bolts, and has about 1/2" clearance under front crankshaft pulley. I had no water pumps, I bought 2 and had to have wide pulleys installed and the belts are running from crank to fan and crank to water pumps and generator. With all assembled using the old belts that were with the truck, the fan is still too high and will hit the upper part of the shound by about 3/4". The radiator support looks straight and centered, the mounting of the radiator has four captured nuts that line up with the four in the radiator, with virtually no movement. The radiator shroud has 3 holes down each side that are lining up with the same on the radiator, the shroud has a curved lip at the top, a 19" diameter opening, that is set down about 4-5" below the bottom of the radiator, the opening is slightly offset to the left abour 3/4". Looking online at any pictures of original trucks all is lookng fine, most have had the shroud removed or modified. I'll attach a few more pictures.
Thanks for all the help!
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carwalls
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-- 02-18-2012 @ 8:11 AM
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I'm adding some current pictures to show what is happening.
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carwalls
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-- 02-18-2012 @ 8:22 AM
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More pictures. this one shows the shround mounted, the fan is lined up in the middle of the opening and using the belt that came with the truck you might be able to see how loose it is. I stuck a wrench above the pulley to show how loose it is at this adjustment. The fan mount is nearly all the way to it's lowest adjustment on the generator bracket. This belt is approx 1.5" smaller around the outside from replacement belts from dennis carpenter and one other source. The factory belt guide gives a belt size of 36.81 x 3/4 this old blet measures 35.5" on the outside.
I have been checking every thing I can think of and have scratched all the hair off my head!
Thanks!
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bkewin
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-- 02-19-2012 @ 8:07 PM
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that's interesting. I'll try and get a couple shots of mine tomorrow. maybe they'll show something. rained all day saturday and something came up today.
Bill
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carwalls
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-- 02-20-2012 @ 8:42 AM
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The pictures will be very helpful. Perhaps a measurment of the height of the front motor mount to the crossmember, mine looks correct but I'll try anything, and a measurement ot the outide diameter of the fan belt running from fan to crank pulley.
Thanks for your help,
Richard
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bkewin
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-- 02-21-2012 @ 1:46 PM
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from top of crossmember to bottom of cast block I have 7 inches exact. From the center of the crank pulley to the centerline of the fan shaft I have 11 inches. pictures I took don't amount to much. hard to hold this stupid phone etc. I think supereal pegged it, maybe your rad is mounted low.
well I tried to find the front motor mount online and maybe i'm wrong here there is a sort of stirrup shaped thing that bolts to the cross member and then to the front of the block in 2 places. I guessed that was the motor mount. http://s1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa391/bkewin/?action=view¤t=075e1f47.jpg here is a link to a picture looking down on one side of the thing.
I've yet to receive my shop manual and so am guessing here. I apologize for that.
This message was edited by bkewin on 2-22-12 @ 11:33 AM
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carwalls
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-- 02-22-2012 @ 11:45 AM
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Measuring from the bottom of the cast block to the top of the rear flange of the crossmember I am at 7" exact. With 11" from the center of the crank pulley to the centerline of the fan shaft all the belts seem to be fitting but the fan is still too high in relation to the fan shroud opening. I've checked and really do believe that the radiator is the orginal and also the fan shroud, the raditor support shows no signs of having been removed. I'm afraid if I move the radiator up I would hit the bottom of the hood. I don't want to cut or modify the shroud so I'll remove it for now and continue.
Thanks for your effort with this and every one else that has responded.
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carwalls
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-- 02-22-2012 @ 11:57 AM
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Bill, I just saw your pictures as I was posting the response to your previous info. The mount on the front appears the same as the one I have. The very first picture that I sent showed my engine after I first got it home on an engine stand and in that picture is a view of the front bracket loosely installed.
I've sent another picture with parts scattered all over the floor that has a picture of a part of that bracket along the left side of the picture to the left of the crankshaft pulley.
I really appreciate the assist
Richard
I'll attach a couple of links for factory parts illustration and text. 2 large pdf files.
http://www.charpkustoms.com/BOTP/Diagrams/Ford_Truck-48-56-1.pdf
http://www.charpkustoms.com/BOTP/Diagrams/Ford_Truck-48-56-2.pdf
This message was edited by carwalls on 2-22-12 @ 12:39 PM
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bkewin
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-- 02-22-2012 @ 1:22 PM
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Thanks for the excellent links. I'll start studying tonight. 
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carwalls
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-- 02-22-2012 @ 2:12 PM
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I saved them to my files after finding them online, they sure are informative!
Richard
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carwalls
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-- 02-23-2012 @ 9:27 AM
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Bill,
I am still attempting to get this fan shroud configuration settled, I'm having a difficult time letting it beat me. Would you please check the belt numbers that are on your truck now, and post the numbers for me.
On the picture you posted I can almost see the small belt number. Should be something like 23555 for the small one and 24365 for the longer one.
Thanks,
Richard
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bkewin
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-- 02-23-2012 @ 3:22 PM
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fan belt is 25-09330
long belt is 25-13880 also has 244ss and 62-0
both are napa
also, that little motor has come a long way since you started. you should do a thread on what all you've done to it. did you use the ford manual? mine came in today. Head bolt torque in the book is higher than what i've been reading. I may be in the market for bolt on go fast goodies. I need to drive it for a year.
Not too many oil spots on the drive, but the bottom end has a little sheen on it. I guess thats just the nature of these beasts. also Oil pressure seems high at 80#s at speed, but I read about an 80# melling pump that may have been installed. PO passed away so I can't ask him without a ouija board. No disrespect meant. I may be able to talk to the son of the owner before Murphy, at dallas early ford v8 club.
Bill
This message was edited by bkewin on 2-23-12 @ 5:44 PM
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carwalls
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-- 02-23-2012 @ 8:26 PM
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I've been doing quite a bit to this truck just to get it back on the road.
Thanks so much for the belt#'s I'll cross-reference, after all this time I seem be moving forward.
I'm not very familiar with these flatheads, worked for nearly 30 years in GM dealerships, quite a chevy guy, this is only my 3rd Ford, And I've spent alot of time finding info. I Haven't purchased a manual yet for this truck, I have found that part number/ illustration very helpful.
I'll attach a few more links, Have fun!
Thanks again Bill!
I'll attempt to post pictures of the progress.
http://flatheadv8.org/phpBB/index.php?sid=b0d35c37fbb7d95206b2540eba8595ac
http://lbcunited.com/earlyford2/
http://www.earlyford.com/
http://www.clubfte.com/users/earl/Reference_Material/Reference_Material.html
http://classicautoparts.com/
http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/flathead_home.htm
http://www.dennis-carpenter.com/trucks.php
http://www.btc-bci.com/~billben/flathead.htm
http://midfifty.com/index.php
http://www.classictrucks.com/index.html
This message was edited by carwalls on 2-23-12 @ 8:36 PM
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bonusbuilt1950
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-- 02-24-2012 @ 6:09 AM
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Try to find a shop ,manual for that truck. Lots of good info to help you. Also the 48-56 Parts and accessories catalog listed in above post is full of mistakes and omissions. It is a reprint from 1964 and alot of the part number were obsolete by then, so they omitted alot. What you want is a copy of the 48-54 or 48-55 Parts and accessories catalog. This is where the illustrations in the 48-56 catalog came from. I have all 3 catalogs and rarely use the 48-56 because of the mistakes.
Your fan and gen setup looks just like my 50 F-1. I have a NAPA belt 215-20554 for the gen-waterpumps and a Gates 17A0926/ TH24365 for the fan. Napa has a listing for a fan belt, but it is a little too narrow and my fan hit the shroud. THe gates is perfect for me. Your problem appears that the fan hits the top? of the shroud with the adjustment all the way down? If so, maybe the radiator support bracket is sitting on the frame without the insulator pad between the frame and support perhaps? Something to check.
THe radiator support uses part number B3T 8125-A which consists of 6 rubber pads and 3 steel shims. It is a kit that you shim it up to the height you need to clear, not necessarily using all the contents. That is where I'd look first.
Barry
50 F-1
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